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Tirreno - Adriatico Discussion
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 08-11-2017 08:51
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Welcome everyone to the 2017 Tirreno-Adriatico. We are here in Italy to see one of the best PT races of the season. Despite the triple clash with Paris-Nice and Grand-Duche, the startlist is incredibly strong. Most of the best climbers in the world are here, but being the best climber won’t be enough to win the race, as you’ll also need a strong TTT team with the initial TTT. This is the reason why lots of strong TTers are here, despite having a ITT in Paris-Nice to fight for.
| Team | TTT | Team | TTT |  Tinkoff | 77,125 |  Jayco | 76,75 |  Porto | 75,75 |  Gazelle | 75,625 |  RBC | 75 |  Aegon | 74,75 |  Puma | 72,875 |  Spotify | 72,625 |  Iberia | 72,5 |  Hugo Boss | 72,375 |
Last year’s winner, Yuri Trofimov, is not here, as last year’s route was completely different to this year’s, which also makes almost all top10 from last year to not being here.
The big favourite is Angel Madrazo. He is the best climber and also has a decent TTT team, which won’t make lose lot of time, the problem that  Aleksandr Pluchkin will suffer, the one who should be his main rival in the mountains
Right after them, Timofey Kritskiy. He is one level below Madrazo and Pluchkin in the mountains, but he has the strongest TTT team, together with Lachlan Morton, but the Aussie is a worse climber than the Russian. Tiago Machado can also be included in this group of climbers with strong TTT roster
Taylor Phinney should be the best of the climbers in the hilly stages. His chances to win the GC goes by putting some time between him and Madrazo/Pluchkin/Kritskiy in the hilly stages to overcome his deficit in the pure mountain stages
Other riders that should challenge for the podium are  Joseph Dombrowski, Justo Tenorio,  Stefan Denifl or Jose Alarcon. They are either worse climbers than the other mentioned riders, they have either a problem with their TTT roster or the hilly stages which should prevent them to fight for the win.
Also, riders like  Lecuisinier, Herklotz, Dekker,  Cattaneo,  Guldhammer or Wellens should be in the fight for a top 5/10
| Rider | MON | HIL | TTT | Rider | MON | HIL | TTT | | Madrazo | 85 | 76 | 75,6 | Pluchkin | 85 | 75 | 69,2 | | Phinney | 83 | 77 | 75 | Machado | 84 | 77 | 75,7 | | Dombrowski | 84 | 75 | 70,9 | Kritskiy | 84 | 75 | 77,1 | | Alarcon | 84 | 73 | 72 | Morton | 83 | 76 | 76,7 | | Dekker | 81 | 75 | 74,7 | Lecuisinier | 82 | 75 | 68,1 | | Tenorio | 84 | 76 | 72,5 | Herklotz | 81 | 75 | 72,8 | | Guldhammer | 81 | 77 | 69,6 | Wellens | 81 | 75 | 72,6 |  Yates | 79 | 76 | 67,2 | Formolo | 78 | 76 | 75,6 | | Denifl | 84 | 76 | 62,8 |  Barguil | 79 | 75 | 64,8 | | Slagter | 78 | 78 | 72,3 | Bongiorno | 79 | 75 | 72,8 | | Bibby | 77 | 76 | 75,6 | Cattaneo | 82 | 70 | 66,9 |  Keinath | 79 | 76 | 65,5 |  Moser | 79 | 72 | 67,8 |
In the sprinters field, not all managers have send their best sprinters here. With only one real chance for not hilly sprinters to win here, and this being in the last stage, they have prefered to send them to Paris-Nice, but we still have some top sprinters here.
Dylan Groenewegen and  Jacopo Guarnieri are the best sprinters, although Oscar Guerao should be faster, but his lack of acceleration will hurt him. Sondre Holst Enger and Daniel Vesely will be there also. Hugo Houle will be someone to watch in the second stage.
| Rider | SPR | ACC | Rider | SPR | ACC | | Guerao | 83 | 76 | Guarnieri | 82 | 81 | | Groenewegen | 82 | 81 | Vesely | 81 | 80 | | Enger | 81 | 78 | Stallaert | 79 | 76 | | Houle | 78 | 78 | Fonseca | 78 | 77 | | Carsi | 78 | 80 | Kluge | 77 | 75 |
Clashing with a hilly classic, and a hilly stage race, it was expected to have no top puncheurs here despite having two hilly stages, so Tom-Jelte Slagter should be the best puncheur, together with  Evaldas Siskevicius, so hilly stages might be won by GC guys
| Year | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | | 2016 | Yuri Trofimov | Vincenzo Nibali | Tiago Machado | | 2015 | Daniel Martin | Simon Spilak | Romain Sicard | | 2014 | Simone Ponzi | Edvald Boasson Hagen | Damiano Cunego | | 2013 | Damiano Cunego | Simone Ponzi | Edvald Boasson Hagen | | 2012 | Frank Schleck | Jan Bakelants | Philippe Gilbert | | 2011 | Yuri Trofimov | Taylor Phinney | Luis Leon Sanchez | | 2010 | Samuel Sanchez | Danilo di Luca | Vincenzo Nibali | | 2009 | Danilo di Luca | Juan Jose Cobo | Paolo Bettini | | 2008 | Michael Boogerd | Stefano Garzelli | Janez Brajkovic | | 2007 | Frank Schleck | Patxi Vila | Luca Mazzanti |
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| Heine |
Posted on 08-11-2017 09:02
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Stronger field than I hoped here, and my TTT is really weak... Hopefully the non-exsisting nationality bonus helps Mattia
Will be interesting to see the first real battles of some of the best climbers. Missing some top guys that are preserving racedays, but Pluichkin, Madrazo, Tenorio, Phinney and many more. Not a bad field
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| roturn |
Posted on 08-11-2017 09:09
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Huge field here in Tirreno.
Clearly can be happy if Dekker makes it into the top10. Will be interesting to see how he can perform this season.
Groenewegen as top3 sprinter also interesting to see for the rest of the season. No leadout for him could hurt him though.
The TTT was hoped to be decent as Groenewegen is the only non-TT rider but seeing it`s also just 5th to 6th I fear we won`t have a chance there.
By the look of the startlist I guess top5 in TTT, top12 with Dekker and maybe a stage win by Groenewegen is the absolutely maximum I can hope for. Likely ending a bit below this.
Was at first a bit confused by your sorting. With jumping from left to right and so on. |
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 08-11-2017 09:21
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It's been a while since we won a TTT, so this is our nur big goal here. Anything but a podium would be disastrous. Could have sent a better setup, but Morton needs some useful support in the mountains afterall.
Well. Morton. Top-10 must be the goal, but it will be tough. Maybe a good daily form instead of crashing would be a nice way to go in the first key stage  Can't say I'm too optimistic, so it's mainly the TTT, where I put the pressure high for our guys. Breakaway appearances would be also nice for a change. Definitely happens too less for my liking.
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| viking90 |
Posted on 08-11-2017 09:25
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Tought startlista ofc.
Top 10 by Wellens could work and would be good I guess, always hard to predict since its his debut.
Stallaert could score some points in the sprints here which is off course nice, after all he is not a top sprinter at all.
We sent a rather strong TTT lineup and hopefully they can deliver
So Cort-Nielsen and Ludvigsson can Score some depth points in the GC. |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 08-11-2017 09:33
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This one race could be the reason for my team to relegate, or to stay up, all depending on how the AI will treat my team here. One possible outcome is Pluchkin loses too much time in the initial TTT and will finish 5 as a result which would seriously hurt my season. The outcome I am gambling on, and it's quite the risk, is that Pluchkin will be extra aggressive, gaining back more than enough time that way... Seriously wondering why I decided to not have Nepomnyachsniy here though...
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 08-11-2017 09:37
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@roturn Well, if you aren't used to that sorting, i understand it can be a little confusing at first glance. I thought it would be better than the other sorting, but i can go back to the "normal" one for future previews
@ALL Any of you has a race goal here?
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 08-11-2017 09:39
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Win goal I believe, or top 10 or something.... I don't remember, something at least
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 08-11-2017 09:43
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I guess some breakaways would be nice.
I brought a really week team here so repeating last year's feast with one stage win and 2 jerseys will be impossible 
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| knockout |
Posted on 08-11-2017 10:28
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I've decided to gamble a bit with the season planning for Siskevicius and have him race a few races that you would not expect. I'm glad that no top puncheurs are here and also the best puncheurs among climbers (Spilak, Gesink, ... ) are as expected not here. This gives him the chance to do sth for the two hilly stages.
Also have Vosekalns and Koch for the mountains here with little. Would be cool if one of them goes for KoM.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 08-11-2017 10:52
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Hm, obviously hoped for a couple less top guys as well.
Nevertheless, the TTT (first time we're slightly competitive there with the whole lineup tailored for it) and non-mountaintop finishes should provide decent opportunities for Herklotz to surprise if he races them aggressively.
Even the sprint stages could see some GC riders feature, which in part is why Ciolek wasn't worth sending here.
Nerz and Bongiorno add the best climber depth we can offer in a TTT stage race, so I hope they can ride a strong race too or at least be great suppport for Silvio.
Overall, a Top 15 and two further Top 25s should be the target, but I hope Herklotz can challenge for a Top 10 and a few points-paying stage results, as well as giving Lecusinier a decent fight for white.
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| SotD |
Posted on 08-11-2017 11:05
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Strong field, but not surprising really. A bit surprised to see Taylor Phinney here. It could be an expensive payback, when there isn't an individual TT. I thought he would be going for the Paris-Nice, or wait for a later opportunity.
I had a bit of problems with stretching Lecuisiniers racedays so had to use him here, which I ideally wouldn't have done. Unless he get's lucky it will be a bit useless.
Having Coppel in Paris-Nice I'm pleased with this startlist, but maybe I should have brought Coquard.
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| ember |
Posted on 08-11-2017 15:25
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Very deep GC field, as expected, really. A top 10 will be great from Guldhammer, even with the handicap he has considering the TTT. Hopefully he can make good use of the hilly stages, that was at least the hope when I decided to send him here.
Must admit I'm happy to see the sprinter's field here, as it should give Holst Enger a very good chance at a stage podium. Hopefully the second stage comes down to a normal sprint desite being slightly hilly, which could suit him great, I think.
Will be interesting to follow the fight between the top guys doing this race. Especially excited to see Dombrowski, as he should be forced to race aggressive after a time loss in the TTT, which hopefully proves to make for some entertaining racing. |
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| dev4ever |
Posted on 08-11-2017 16:16
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Very excited for this race. Alarcon first real test for us, together with Carapaz first race as maxed for us, makes me very eager to see this race. Maybe some aggressive riding from Slagter and co. could contribute to our first successfull race this season?
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| Shonak |
Posted on 08-11-2017 16:30
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Very nice preview, the field is stacked to the limit. Stage win for Guarnieri is the goal, let's go. One shot at it, maybe two if lucky.
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 08-11-2017 18:50
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Important fixture for us. This might be Madrazo's best chance to win a GC all season. Really hope he shows good form!
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 09-11-2017 05:20
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This indeed has the potential to be one of the best PT races of the season -> exciting!
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 09-11-2017 09:42
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Well, this is my first report  I hope you like that i included all the teams in the report. As this is a TTT, i don't think this will be the greatest of reports, so better wait until this night's stage to judge my reporting quality 
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| viking90 |
Posted on 09-11-2017 09:50
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No problems with the reports so far, Guess TTT can be hard kind of boring to report.
Anyway good start for us and nice that we did not drop Wellens despite his lower TT stat, a la Hugo Boss & Jayco. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-11-2017 09:52
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I fear several unhappy teams after this...
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