Jesleyh wrote:
Don't forget that Dumoulin actually finished 2nd in his last 3 TTs now. Guess who came first every time? Martin.
Dumoulin is easily 78, possibly 79.
There's just nobody coming close to Martin as long as it's relatively flat.
Also, Barta had some more great TTs throughout the season, it's not an one-off.
I know, but 78 is a big number. 77 TT would not be a 1 off stat.
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But why the f'k everyone is underrating Nibali?
If Quintana goes second in the tour and wins the giro (without opponents of his level) deserves a higher stat than Nibali. What should Nibali do to be at the level of Quintana? Win Giro-Tour-Vuelta the same year? He always beat Rodriguez, he won the Giro in the same situation as Quintana SO he deserves the same stats of Quintana. Don't forget that Nibali went second at the Vuelta just behind an amazing (and probably doped) Horner that beat the VAM record of Froome on Angliru... Nibali isn't probably on the same level of Froome/Contador. But is f'ingly underrated. It's a shame he can not fight against Froome and Contador. Hope in next year.
Contador hasn't lost a single second in mountain stages to Froome this year, while we cannot say that the other way around. So I believe they should have at least the same stat (83) if not 1 level higher for Contador, who was only beaten by Rodriguez for four seconds this year in face-to-face matchups on mountain stages.
jussike wrote:
As an Estonian I am a tad biased for setting stats of Estonians. With this season/tour in mind, what would you do with both Taaramäe and Kangert? With Kangert, I would probably wait to see todays TT result
I never take any bad GT TTs very seriously most riders out of the top 15 in the general classification riding on 80% most of the stage besides the favorites.
When it comes to Tom Dumoulin he needs an increase in TT he showed several times he is one of the best time trialists recently.
Edited by Naskela on 27-07-2014 11:03
Arberg27 wrote:
Froome is clearly the strongest in top condition, with most lengths down to everyone else
Even if that was the case, he's not strong enough that it would justify a whole point difference on Contador and two on Quintana & Nibali really. I'm with Bajbar on this one.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
Is it now i should post a video of Schleck from 08 to back up my opinion on him being 82 in mountain Contador is allot better than now than he was then last year, i think we all know Froome was the best in top condition last year.
Edited by Naskela on 27-07-2014 11:30
If I remember correctly:
1. No Nibali there
2. No Contador in top shape
3. Quintana wasn't leader and was already ahead of the climb (I think).
4. That's a year ago. This year's Froome is nowhere near that guy. Contador is the other way around, much stronger this year. So you can't base their stats on only 1 season, but you have to see the bigger picture.
Ian Butler wrote:
3. Quintana wasn't leader and was already ahead of the climb (I think).
lol Quintana was leader and tried to get a head start by attacking former, because he knows that, he cannot run with Froome attacking first time.
Ian Butler wrote:
4. That's a year ago. This year's Froome is nowhere near that guy. Contador is the other way around, much stronger this year. So you can't base their stats on only 1 season, but you have to see the bigger picture.
Froome: Best climber in TDF 2012, 2013 and 2014 until he was crash.
Contador: Rodriguez better climber in Vuelta 2012 than Contador, Fromme better than Contador in 2013 and 2014 until he was crash.
Edited by Arberg27 on 27-07-2014 12:01
Jesleyh wrote:
Don't forget that Dumoulin actually finished 2nd in his last 3 TTs now. Guess who came first every time? Martin.
Dumoulin is easily 78, possibly 79.
There's just nobody coming close to Martin as long as it's relatively flat.
Also, Barta had some more great TTs throughout the season, it's not an one-off.
He came in first in the Nationals though .
Imagine if Martin wasn't in form for yesterday, we would've had another Dutch stage winner .
Ian Butler wrote:
3. Quintana wasn't leader and was already ahead of the climb (I think).
lol Quintana was leader and tried to get a head start by attacking former, because he knows that, he cannot run with Froome attacking first time.
Ian Butler wrote:
4. That's a year ago. This year's Froome is nowhere near that guy. Contador is the other way around, much stronger this year. So you can't base their stats on only 1 season, but you have to see the bigger picture.
Froome best climber in 2012, 2013 and 2014 until he was crash.
Just because it's the Tour doesn't mean Contador is in top shape he's had some difficulties getting into top shape since his suspension. This year he's had more luck than 2012 and 2013.
Quintana wasn't the leader, Valverde was. Otherwise he wouldn't have attacked earlier.
And it's Tour 2013, not 2012. Nibali wasn't there.
Contador is allot better than now than he was then last year, i think we all know Froome was the best in top condition last year.
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