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| T0XA |
Posted on 25-08-2009 10:57
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When hill becomes a mountain and conversely?
Is orange climb in stage profile means hill (riders using hill skill) and the red one means mountain (riders using mountain skill)?
So, on an orange climb a rider 1 (HIL=80, MO=70) will overtake rider 2 (HIL=70, MO=80), but begins to lose when they both reach red climb, right?
Is game engine takes only one value from riders data depending on stage part (FL, HIL or MO) or some combination of skills to count his effort?
What is Cobblestone? Races with plenty little hills or what?
Can anybody post a screen with profile of classic COB race? |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 25-08-2009 11:03
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Cobblestones are roads with...well, cobblestones. A rider with a low stat there would tire very easily. |
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| Smoku |
Posted on 25-08-2009 11:20
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It depends on the stage profile, not the colour or percentage of the slope. There is a column in database determining on which stages You use MO and on which HL skill. Only one of them can be considered during a stage. You can make an assumption that on mountain (red) stages riders use MO and on hilly stages (orange) they use HL.
Cobblestones are those little bumpy rocky (and flat, not hilly) sections during the northern classics. They're coloured grey in the race profile. A very typical cobblestone race is Paris-Roubaix - look at the profile, try to ride it, watch what happens and You'll know everything about cobblestones.
EDIT - here's a picture of cobblestones for You:
Edited by Smoku on 25-08-2009 11:30
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| rontgen |
Posted on 25-08-2009 11:28
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Smoku wrote:
It depends on the stage profile, not the colour or percentage of the slope. There is a column in database determining on which stages You use MO and on which HL skill. Only one of them can be considered during a stage. You can make an assumption that on mountain (red) stages riders use MO and on hilly stages (orange) they use HL.
This is probably the worst part of PCM. Riding a montain stage that has a few hills at the start, it's impossible to get hill specialists over those hills without being dropped. That's just ridicoulus. I really hope this is changed with the (assumed) new GE in PCM2010. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-08-2009 11:30
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T0XA wrote:
What is Cobblestone? Races with plenty little hills or what?
Can anybody post a screen with profile of classic COB race?
Cobblestones:
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 25-08-2009 11:30
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There is a mountain rating for each stage that determines whether hilly riders or mountain riders will do well on that route.
Its as scale of 0-1 with 0 meaning it suits the hilly guys completely, 1 meaning it suits the mountain guys completely and 0.5 is where there is an equal importance on hill and mountain stat.
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| Lokes |
Posted on 25-08-2009 11:50
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SportingNonsense wrote:
There is a mountain rating for each stage that determines whether hilly riders or mountain riders will do well on that route.
Its as scale of 0-1 with 0 meaning it suits the hilly guys completely, 1 meaning it suits the mountain guys completely and 0.5 is where there is an equal importance on hill and mountain stat.
Is there anyway to see in-game, if a stage is 1 - 0,5 or 0. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 25-08-2009 11:50
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Lokes wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
There is a mountain rating for each stage that determines whether hilly riders or mountain riders will do well on that route.
Its as scale of 0-1 with 0 meaning it suits the hilly guys completely, 1 meaning it suits the mountain guys completely and 0.5 is where there is an equal importance on hill and mountain stat.
Is there anyway to see in-game, if a stage is 1 - 0,5 or 0.
Nope, youd need to use an editor to look it up
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| T0XA |
Posted on 25-08-2009 14:59
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My PC is weak, so I can`t see what cover on road - COB or not, that`s why I want to know is there any other way to see COB race or not before it starts.
Looking at Paris-Roubaix profile, I could`t find out how can I understand is it COb or not.
We need it for race shedule planning, at least. |
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| Smoku |
Posted on 25-08-2009 15:09
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Look harder - below the race profile with summits etc. In Paris-Roubaix you may notice that it turns from yellow to grey sometimes. Those grey sections are cobblestones.
EDIT - sorry, a little mistake - yellow is the profile of summits etc. Underneath there is a light grey strip, kind of a basis for the race profile. If it turns dark grey - it's cobblestones.
Edited by Smoku on 25-08-2009 15:19
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| T0XA |
Posted on 25-08-2009 15:09
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Its as scale of 0-1 with 0 meaning it suits the hilly guys completely, 1 meaning it suits the mountain guys completely and 0.5 is where there is an equal importance on hill and mountain stat.
So, if 0, then game engine takes hill stat, if 1, it takes MO stat, and if 0,5 it takes average of them or what? |
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| Smoku |
Posted on 25-08-2009 15:17
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This one's actually Ronde van Vlandeeren (I guess - not my screenshot), but you may clearly see which sections are normal and which cobblestone (dark grey) |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 25-08-2009 15:19
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T0XA wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Its as scale of 0-1 with 0 meaning it suits the hilly guys completely, 1 meaning it suits the mountain guys completely and 0.5 is where there is an equal importance on hill and mountain stat.
So, if 0, then game engine takes hill stat, if 1, it takes MO stat, and if 0,5 it takes average of them or what?
Pretty much
Its not just limit to them it could be 0.25, 0.4, 0.63, 0.8 whatever.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 25-08-2009 16:02
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Yes, but all stages are 0 except mountain stages. Also I think that there are no stages below 0.5 |
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