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Managing rider's effort.
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| CartofCubic |
Posted on 16-03-2013 10:00
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I've been playing PCM12 for a couple of months, but I'm still not convinced about one thing: The rider's effort. How can I manage it corectly? Lower it on the start, or let it on 70? |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 16-03-2013 10:33
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If you just sit in the pack, you can have 99 and it will be the same effect as 70. Unless the pace is too high, then sometimes 70 will not be high enough.
In the peloton, I always let them sit on 99 intensity, it doesn't cost more energy than at 50 or anything else.
It will matter when relaying, free effort... (watching the heart monitor is a good way to check) |
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| CartofCubic |
Posted on 16-03-2013 11:38
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Thanks for the advice. I think I'll try to play that way.  |
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 16-03-2013 16:54
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Ian Butler wrote:
If you just sit in the pack, you can have 99 and it will be the same effect as 70. Unless the pace is too high, then sometimes 70 will not be high enough.
In the peloton, I always let them sit on 99 intensity, it doesn't cost more energy than at 50 or anything else.
It will matter when relaying, free effort... (watching the heart monitor is a good way to check)
99 effort is a horribly bad idea. The pace gets upped too much they can completely wipe themselves to keep up (especially on climbs), set it to about 85 and things are much better. And increase it a bit for a mass sprint at the end of a race.
If you are going to relay for the peloton, the first half of the race I wouldn't relay on anything over 56 (will keep you out of yellow). Latter to catch the BOTD up it into the low 70s with multiple riders.
Edited by Kentaurus on 16-03-2013 16:57
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| Flair |
Posted on 16-03-2013 18:36
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Only time i ever use 99 dot is during bunch sprint, when i have a sprint train/sprinter to manage and i have a gc leader i want to finish in the bunch.
70 is fine to leeave them on on most stages on easier diifficulties. 99 probably works ok on easy, but on higher difficultties you guys will end up in the red zone early doors as people try and break. (especially if the are in the front half of the pelton.) on higher difficulties i often drop the effort levels even lower on dot, and just watch my guys caarefully when the pack surges. Its far better to let a guy split halfway down the pack while stilll in white bpm and then slowly ride back on white bpm then the let youtself go yellow or red to maintain pack position early in the race.
And often.if i am setting early relay pace its as low as 45-50. |
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 17-03-2013 05:11
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effort must be adjusted to suit the situation. gradually increasing the effort is usually the best idea but judge each section of the course for what it is and stay on top of it. managing the effort so as to keep position but not blow up after a few pack swells is an important skill for keeping your team together!
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| Lachi |
Posted on 17-03-2013 13:26
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Theoretically all the above is correct but if you really want to get the most out of your riders, you have to use individual effort on all climbs and cobbles sections. Using individual effort makes sure that a rider is using the least energy to reach the end of the section at exactly the position you want them to. |
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| tellico |
Posted on 18-03-2013 19:12
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Look at this thread: https://pcmdaily.c...d_id=24291
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 18-03-2013 21:07
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Lachi wrote:
Theoretically all the above is correct but if you really want to get the most out of your riders, you have to use individual effort on all climbs and cobbles sections. Using individual effort makes sure that a rider is using the least energy to reach the end of the section at exactly the position you want them to.
My only concern with individual (dot) effort is I don't know how much break they still get from the wind. It seems to me that just putting someone on dot increases the wind they get almost instantly and can cost them more energy to hold a position than just being on hold position.
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| yoejo |
Posted on 18-03-2013 22:27
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no they are in the peloton (unless you aren´t the very first one) so u don´t need to worry about the wind. believe us, the dot effort is the best to use when the going really gets tough |
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