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We follow the two Tour tune ups in France and Switzerland with the last little nibbles before the big one:
To start the month of July we have the ultimate test of team power:
Eindhoven TTT
It is time to get those calculators out and work out those TT totals, or is it more complicated than that.
Startlist:
Spoiler Carmeuse
1. F.Cancellara
2. A.Aulas
3. R.Di Gregorio
4. T.Gallopin
5. P.Jacobs
6. M.Kneisky
7. C.Lhotellerie
8. J.Suaza
Lafarge
11. W.Bonnet
12. D.Champion
13. A.Laidler
14. S.Pardilla
15. L.Sestili
16. P.Thuaux
17. R.Van Zandbeek
18. C.Vande Velde
Wikipedia
21. T.Phinney
22. B.Caldwell
23. S.Ivars
24. O.Kaisen
25. I.Kovalev
26. C.Meier
27. D.Rijntjes
28. D.Zabriskie
Warner Bros.
31. S.Kolesnikov
32. K.De Ketele
33. G.De Winde
34. M.Facci
35. K.Hulsmans
36. T.Pinto
37. S.Rosseler
38. M.Van der Pluijm
Vesuvio
41. J.Hopman
42. M.Barth
43. D.Claerebout
44. N.Clesen
45. T.Faiers
46. M.Ford
47. M.Kittel
48. M.Kvasina
Energie
51. M.Biondo
52. P.Nicácio
53. J.Rojas Gil
54. L.Sanchez Gil
55. J.Tendero
56. G.Veloso
57. A.Vicioso
58. E.Viviani
Philips
61. T.Dekker
62. L.Bak
63. L.Gerdemann
64. K.Klostergaard
65. T.Lövkvist
66. J.Mouris
67. N.Scheunemann
68. M.Tjallingii
La Gazzetta
71. R.RodrÃguez Segarra
72. J.Agudelo
73. R.Flens
74. M.Rogers
75. M.Santambrogio
76. D.Van Winden
77. K.Vandewalle
78. R.Wielinga
Colombia
81. V.Reynès
82. A.Klöden
83. H.Machado
84. E.Orozco
85. W.RodrÃguez Parra
86. M.Rubiano Chavez
87. C.Sarmiento
88. T.Swift-Metcalfe
Wolfskin
91. J.Van Emden
92. D.Cornu
93. K.De Kort
94. J.Donald
95. R.Gesink
96. R.Plaza
97. J.Posthuma
98. B.Vaugrenard
Festina
101. M.Bernaudeau
102. A.Contador
103. T.Dees
104. K.Goddaert
105. P.Gretsch
106. R.Navardauskas
107. L.Schädlich
108. J.Van Goolen
Auber 93
111. J.Coppel
112. L.Boom
113. M.Bouet
114. W.Ford
115. P.Ligthart
116. F.Morizot
117. K.Reus
118. P.Rolland
Sony
121. F.Johansson
122. J.Danacik
123. F.Johansson
124. S.Lang
125. M.Mortensen
126. D.Muravjev
127. S.Pauwels
128. V.Renäng
Nespresso
131. J.Fiedler
132. H.Broco
133. V.Karpets
134. M.Keizer
135. J.Mendes
136. H.Mottin
137. M.Schär
138. R.Traficante
Starbucks
141. A.Amador
142. T.Criel
143. M.Fahnert
144. R.Kiserlovski
145. K.Koren
146. T.Lowe
147. P.Sibila Romero
148. G.Visconti
Lipton
151. J.Zrimsek
152. T.Bontenackels
153. T.Danielson
154. G.Gazvoda
155. A.Mironov
156. S.Nooytens
157. V.Ratiy
158. D.Stundzia
Team B&O
161. M.Reckweg
162. M.Christensen
163. A.Grivko
164. C.Jørgensen
165. N.Keinath
166. R.Kreuziger
167. A.Steensen
168. S.Stenersen
Pearl
181. Y.Offredo
182. M.Fothen
183. E.Franzoi
184. T.Kangert
185. G.Levarlet
186. J.Rujano
187. B.Samoilev
188. W.Walker
Cyalogic certainly seems confused, Cancellara's Carmuese squad would be hard to make a case for winning this - mind you they may have installed his motor in their vehicles.
Last years champions Wikipedia are certainly more convincing having both world champion Zabriskie and recent Tour de Suisse champion Taylor Phinney in their ranks. Though it is perhaps not quite as good as last years team...
Not too many Team Time Trial's so far in the Protour, at the Giro we saw Team B +O and Sony Ericsson tied for time, with Philips not so far back. All three teams have solid credentials this time, Phillips with the lesser spotted Dekker making a rare appearence!
Festina, Nespresso and Vesuvio sport some very useful Time Triallers in their squad also. The two outstanding favourites you feel though would Auber 93, who dominated the Tour of Qatar TTT and Jack Wolfskin with a number of Dutch riders who should know every nook and cranny of the circuit.
Eagle eyed readers will notice a name missing from the line up, one squad did not wish to send a team here... (and no it is not the CONTROL team)
We follow this power test with a bit more individual punch required in the small hilly terrian in Luxembourg.
Classique du Grand-Duché
Startlist:
Spoiler Vesuvio
1. F.Schleck
2. D.Claerebout
3. S.Einsle
4. T.Faiers
5. B.Gastauer
6. M.Iglinski
7. M.Kvasina
8. N.Schinker
Team B&O
11. E.Hagen
12. A.Grivko
13. M.Hacecký
14. S.Kruijswijk
15. R.Mestre
16. M.Reckweg
17. J.Sagan
18. T.Veelers
Sony
21. Y.Trofimov
22. S.Anza
23. L.Fernández Oliveira
24. K.Fouquet
25. P.Grillo
26. M.Mori
27. M.Reihs
28. M.Öste-Macdonald
Festina
31. D.Ulissi
32. S.Denifl
33. T.Kvist
34. S.Morabito
35. F.Mourey
36. S.Sánchez Gonzalez
37. J.Van Goolen
38. M.Vingerling
Auber 93
41. P.Sinkewitz
42. L.Boom
43. N.Brouzes
44. C.Kern
45. S.Langeveld
46. C.Le Mével
47. N.Maes
48. D.Mehr-Wenige
Pearl
51. J.Bakelants
52. E.Berthou
53. K.De Haes
54. G.Levarlet
55. L.Mondory
56. Y.Offredo
57. W.Walker
58. P.Weening
Energie
61. L.Sanchez Gil
62. A.Cardoso
63. A.Colom Mas
64. L.Duque
65. B.Pires
66. M.Soler
67. A.Vicioso
68. C.Zaballa
Wikipedia
71. T.Van Garderen
72. T.Brandt
73. R.Broers
74. M.Burghardt
75. M.Busche
76. R.Eastman
77. K.Eeckhout
78. A.Sebright
Philips
81. J.Rodriguez Oliver
82. L.Bak
83. S.Cohnen
84. L.Gerdemann
85. A.Lund
86. M.Pedersen
87. M.Reimer
88. M.Schreurs
LEGO
91. M.Monfort
92. D.Claeys
93. K.Gil
94. J.Libert
95. F.Rabon
96. P.Rooijakkers
97. K.Vantornout
98. T.Zaini
Lipton
101. S.Ghisalberti
102. C.Di Maggio
103. A.Mironov
104. S.Nooytens
105. E.Rizza
106. M.Rowe
107. D.Stundzia
108. J.Zrimsek
Nespresso
111. D.Di Luca
112. H.Aguilar
113. H.Broco
114. P.Fédrigo
115. J.Maillet
116. J.Mendes
117. N.Portal
118. G.Steurs
Domina Vacanze
121. J.Vanendert
122. D.Calderón
123. M.Da Dalto
124. M.Eibegger
125. T.Frei
126. D.Herrero Llorente
127. T.Martin
128. R.Pauriol
Lafarge
131. C.Gautier
132. L.Bret
133. A.Jeannesson
134. P.Korzh
135. S.Minard
136. K.Peeters
137. F.Taillefour
138. R.Van Zandbeek
Wolfskin
141. R.Plaza
142. J.Cooper
143. M.Kreder
144. J.Posthuma
145. T.Rabou
146. K.Sys
147. L.Ten Dam
148. R.van der Hugenhaben
La Gazzetta
151. D.De la Fuente
152. M.Bono
153. A.Dowsett
154. M.Maisto
155. M.Mugerli
156. M.Osella
157. M.Santambrogio
158. R.Wielinga
Colombia
161. J.Gomez Marchante
162. P.Deignan
163. S.Joly
164. C.Knees
165. H.Machado
166. O.Pereiro Sio
167. D.Summerhill
168. A.Tennant
Carmeuse
171. S.Casar
172. A.Aulas
173. C.Brandt
174. R.Di Gregorio
175. A.Fenn
176. P.Jacobs
177. M.Kneisky
178. C.Lhotellerie
Warner Bros.
181. J.Flecha
182. G.De Winde
183. A.Giraldo
184. S.Perez Fernandez
185. T.Pinto
186. S.Rosseler
187. R.Van Houts
188. M.Van der Pluijm
Starbucks
191. T.Lowe
192. F.Ciccarese
193. A.Coyot
194. K.Fajt
195. O.Freire
196. R.Kavsek
197. C.Ospina
198. R.Simunek
It is impossible of course to overlook Frank Schleck's name at the top of the list, this years winner of the Liege - Bastoigne Liege and FBD Eire Tour will want to add this one to this years palmaires as it is a team goal for Vesuvio.
But if you thought his name was on the winners trophy already think again, the Sanchez (Luis Leon and Sammy), Boesson Hagen, Van Gaarderan, Bakelants, J Rodriguez, Vanendert and Trofimov are here just to name but several hill climbing experts.
The key sections in this new classic, will be in the last 50km as the fairly lengthy Cote de Wahlhausen and steep Grauhausen climb come together quickly before the exciting uphill Cauberg/Mur de Huy like climb into Herrenberg.
Can anybody disappoint home favourite Schleck?
Schedule:
I will be posting the preview for the Tour at the weekend. So therefore I will be looking to post the TTT on Thursday evening and the Grand Duchy Classique will be with you on Friday evening. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 04-01-2011 20:57
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My major goal is approaching... I still see Wikipedia as my main rivals but hopefully my Dutch riders will be able to make the difference. 
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| Crommy |
Posted on 04-01-2011 21:00
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Let's hope Cya-logic prevails when Eindhoven is actually raced 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 04-01-2011 21:10
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Probably my best TTT team ever, yet I'm very far from being anywhere near the best |
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| SotD |
Posted on 05-01-2011 17:40
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My team should also be very strong on paper. 8 riders with an avr. of 76,25... I doubt I will win or even be close, but on paper that avr. should be good.
The hilly startlist isn't too strong though so perhaps I could fit in a top 5 there if lucky.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 05-01-2011 17:46
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I'm hopeful that somehow Colombia do not go off first in the TTT due to their placing on the startlist. Won't make too much difference though as the team is just in it for minimum points. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 05-01-2011 17:48
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fenian_1234 wrote:
I'm hopeful that somehow Colombia do not go off first in the TTT due to their placing on the startlist. Won't make too much difference though as the team is just in it for minimum points.
What difference does it make if you go first or last?
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Posted on 05-01-2011 18:03
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Try it - send the strongest team/rider off first and I'm pretty sure they won't win it.  |
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Posted on 05-01-2011 18:18
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I hope Monfort grabs a Top 10 result at the Duche
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Posted on 05-01-2011 19:08
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I gave up on winning Eindhoven after a couple of seasons ago, when I had the strongest team, led by Cancellara and Millar (2 of the best in the game at the time) beaten by a Eurosport team with no real notable top time trialists. But hopefully Ive got an outside shot of a Top 5 here, although without Uran or Intxausti, I cant claim to have selected my strongest possible lineup.
I can only hope Grand-Duche goes as hoped. Its by 'Win' goal, simply because it seemed the most logical race to be so. Of course, theres not always been much logic in Schleck's tactics so far this season - a bit hit and miss - and so no idea which Schleck will be showing up this time.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 05-01-2011 19:36
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fenian_1234 wrote:
Try it - send the strongest team/rider off first and I'm pretty sure they won't win it.
Not had much experience at running the team tests, but the wind seems to me to be the biggest factor in individual time trials (other than stats). It is weird sometimes having the wind seems to be a plus and sometimes it is a negative - never edited a stage but does the wind have a 'direction'? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-01-2011 19:39
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You can set the wind to have a direction, but by far (if not all) stages have the 999 setting = random. |
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| p3druh |
Posted on 06-01-2011 15:32
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I could do without a race like Eindhoven but I'm looking forward to the Grand-Duché. Let's see what Bakelants can do.
Also, should have brought Vastaranta there. He tends to overperform in races like this.
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Posted on 06-01-2011 16:21
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Quick update: The TTT will be up tonight though it maybe tomorrow CET - tried to report it in a reasonably interesting way, sorry to those teams who did not get a piccie. I would estimate about midnight cet, maybe a bit earlier.
Grand Duche: will be posted at a more civilized time as soon as I get in from work 2000 cet about on Friday. |
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| dave92 |
Posted on 06-01-2011 19:35
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Its a bit of a dodgy win goal for me. Gotta hope for the best.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 06-01-2011 22:34
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After seeing the times at the first intermediate check I thought we will mess it up, but we made it!!
This really deserves a banana
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| dave92 |
Posted on 06-01-2011 22:50
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perhaps i will now follow sn and avoid pushing for the win here in the future. 7th is quite dissapointing.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 06-01-2011 23:11
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Not a lot I can do other than put all my best TTers in the race, still, 2nd is a nice boost to the "prove the doubters wrong" thing I've got going on
Was this a team goal for me? I'm guessing I didn't have it as one, and for that I am a fool. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 06-01-2011 23:11
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Hopeless ride, although admittedly, a team counting on Clesen and Kvasina as Top 5 riders is not going to be up there - but they ought to have challenged for the Top 10
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Posted on 07-01-2011 08:44
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3rd here. I can't be dissapointed in that seeing the 2 teams above me. 3rd is about where I expected to be pre-season, but I don't trust TTTs so I'm happy.
How do the pointsystem function for a race like this?
Oh, and very nice report. A TTT could be some very boring stuff, but you managed to make this very interesting. Props for that!
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