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Reject Wild Card - TDF or not?
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| Beldar77 |
Posted on 22-10-2009 07:14
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Still a huge noob so here is perhaps a silly question. My Custom Team has started off season one very well very easily atop the continental tour rankings. I have raced a heavy early season schedule, partly due to being an American team my sponsor goals included the California tour and the Georgia road race.
Anyway this has lead to several riders already having 30+ race days in Mid-june. We are one of the wild cards for the TDF. There is no way the team can win. Although perhaps I could steal a stage win with Gerdeman, Dekker or Clement. Still learning the sprinting aspects of the game and lack a great sprinter.
Am I better off from a money and points perspective skipping the tdf and instead likely winning a few of the continental races during that time span? If I race the TDF several of my best riders will hit the 60 days raced threshold by the end. If I do race do I hold out Gerdeman or Dekker to have a leader left for the latter part of the season? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-10-2009 08:25
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It depends on your ambitions. If you want to promote to Pro Tour this season, I wouldn't really advise you to enter the Tour. You will probably miss out on a reasonable amount of Continental Points, your riders will be tired, etc.
But with that said: It's a lot of fun to play the Tour, and if you get even some minor results, you will be able to make money of it (and make your sponsors happy - their satisfaction level is based on your Superprestige ranking).
I once had a career with Cervelo. I was pretty dominant and lead the Continental Tour by a lot of points. I participated in a great deal of Pro Tour races, did well and made lots of money - but missed out on continental points, and eventually, I also missed the promotion (and the notable riders that I had signed  ). |
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| lucascepeda |
Posted on 22-10-2009 10:39
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You can participate in the first stages, and then abandon with your whole team.
Last season two of my objectives where to get a wildcard for la Vuelta and Giro. I got them, played the first stages of both of them (winning the timetrial and some sprints, plus a mountain stage) and then abandoned.
Got money, sponsors happy and season goals :) |
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| Beldar77 |
Posted on 22-10-2009 16:17
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I think I might adopt a modified abandonment strategy and race the tour. I have 5 guys with TT above 75. 3 of these guys will ride the first week and abandon after hopefully getting a decent result in the TTT. 3 more might just ride the first 1/2 of the race. The final 3 including Gerdeman whose fatigue and training will peak at the 3rd week might ride most of the way hoping to sneak into the right breakaway or solo a short victory.
Not really looking for too much out of the GC.
This way I will save 1 leader and a some support riders for the T type races at the end of July and Aug. Most of the continental points are gone by the end of Aug anyway.
Perhaps as Crue True says even some participation in the Tour should be fun.
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| beagle |
Posted on 22-10-2009 16:37
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PCM is a game simulating world of cycling, so you should play it like this...I can´t imagine that some minor team who received WC for PT event, would abandon after few stages. Easily it doesn´t make me a sence...riding Tour should be great experience and dream of each rider over the world.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 22-10-2009 16:47
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I often find it good fun to ride the Tour if I am dominating the CT as it is a challenge fighting for minor placings/ a top 10 which is often more exciting than winning small tours/classics
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| Lachi |
Posted on 22-10-2009 17:59
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beagle wrote:
PCM is a game simulating world of cycling, so you should play it like this...I can´t imagine that some minor team who received WC for PT event, would abandon after few stages. Easily it doesn´t make me a sence...riding Tour should be great experience and dream of each rider over the world.
It´s my opinion, but it is your game You are right, it is not very clever to ask for a wild card only to abandon the race after the first day. But in real life many riders quit the tour. So no problem with quitting the tour with individual riders (for example before the mountains start) |
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| Beldar77 |
Posted on 23-10-2009 06:30
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I think you guys are right it will be fun to fight the big dogs and try to pick up a scrap or two. I will keep all riders in through the TTT and hope for a top 10 result. Then I might let one rider drop out to save him for some smaller T type stage races at the end of July beginning of Aug and see how beat up my team gets in the 1st set of Mountains. |
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| UberHoupt |
Posted on 27-10-2009 10:41
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Uh maybe a silly question, but how do you abandon a race? Making sure you finish out of time? Thx |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 27-10-2009 10:45
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UberHoupt wrote:
Uh maybe a silly question, but how do you abandon a race? Making sure you finish out of time? Thx
Set your riders to 0 on dot and they should abandon after 10-20 seconds
[url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 27-10-2009 12:45
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Beldar77 wrote:
I think you guys are right it will be fun to fight the big dogs and try to pick up a scrap or two. I will keep all riders in through the TTT and hope for a top 10 result. Then I might let one rider drop out to save him for some smaller T type stage races at the end of July beginning of Aug and see how beat up my team gets in the 1st set of Mountains.
I think you need to race pro tour races to get maximum experience for the riders. So you should race the whole Tour.
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| Beldar77 |
Posted on 28-10-2009 06:23
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Bosskardo wrote:
Beldar77 wrote:
I think you guys are right it will be fun to fight the big dogs and try to pick up a scrap or two. I will keep all riders in through the TTT and hope for a top 10 result. Then I might let one rider drop out to save him for some smaller T type stage races at the end of July beginning of Aug and see how beat up my team gets in the 1st set of Mountains.
I think you need to race pro tour races to get maximum experience for the riders. So you should race the whole Tour.
So Far results have been good. Prologue we got an 8th place finish and in the TTT we took 4th. In stages 5&6 I had my sprinter finish in the top 7. He is nowhere near the top sprinters ( and I am nowhere near the top sprint manager). But as the 1st mountain stages loom I will let my sprinter go home and keep the others alive for now. Though I know one will not make the time cut by the 3rd mountain stage. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 28-10-2009 10:43
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Bosskardo wrote:I think you need to race pro tour races to get maximum experience for the riders. So you should race the whole Tour. You are thinking wrong. |
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| depappie |
Posted on 29-10-2009 01:50
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just send a week squad and pick up mountain points and cash, even finishing 4th/5th in the ranks will earn nice superprestige points |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 29-10-2009 17:41
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weak not week.
And your hint does only work if the DB maker did not fiddle with the super prestige points (pcmdaily, for example, removed all points in one of their DBs) |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-10-2009 17:55
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We did fiddle with it in the Expansion Pack, yes, but there are still superprestige points on the line for the final mountain classification - so what's your point? |
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| Beldar77 |
Posted on 10-11-2009 21:01
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An update for those who took the time to offer advice.
Entered a full strong team as we were very comfortably atop the Cont tour and sponsor confidence was 3/4 full.
we had three riders in the top 15 in the prologue ( dekker, Gerdemann and a youth rider whose one skill is TT (71 already).
We took 4th in the TTT +1,34 to Astana and +23 to Saxobank
In the 1st week had boassen hagen and Martin both finish top 10 in two sprints
Finally aided by Dekker, Gerdeman won a stage and had two 2nd place finishes. The Big result was A 5th in the final GC for Gerdemann ( +20 to Schlecks 4th and more to Sastre, menchov and (hard to believe) Contador.
We ended up making some good cash but amazingly had our sponsor confidence go to 1/2 because we had not won any races since May I guess. Really shouldn't have gone down don't you think? It was fun and had Gerdemann had a + form instead of -2 on Ventoux perhaps a podium finish would have been possible.
And bad news, Dekker decided to leave for a team mired in 6th in the conti tour and for less money than I offered him. His penalty was that I raced him in every possible race after that in a quest for sponsor confidence and cash. finished with 90+ racing days.
Signed Di Luca for one year to replace him as we did get promoted to the protour.
Edited by Beldar77 on 10-11-2009 23:17
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