admirschleck wrote:Why would I be biased? Mažić is a Serbian, but he also is one of the best European referees (otherwise, he wouldn't be where he is now).
I think you're confounding bias with nationalism. If you'd care enough to read your own comments you'll find your bias towards the ref.
admirschleck wrote:Deal with it.
Got it
admirschleck wrote:Also, do not blame me (...)
Huh, what?
admirschleck wrote:(...) because Germany beat the shit out of your poorcountry, both strategically & physically.
Poor? Ok we're not the richest people around, but we're not a 3rd world country either. Perhaps you're referring to our team's quality? I don't get the necessity for this adjective.
admirschleck wrote:It's the reality, learn to deal with it.
Where have I heard that before?...
admirschleck wrote:I didn't say that you're wrong,
You said that the opposite of what I said was true, ergo you said I was wrong. Simple logic, see?
admirschleck wrote:And with "I won't enter this discussion", I meant that I won't bother myself writing arguments for hours, just to prove that I am right. But, it seems like I once again did that, so shame on me really.
At least we agree on something
admirschleck wrote:Wait, so you are actually blaming a referee for Pepe headbutting
Again I don't get where you got that from...
admirschleck wrote:(any contact in football after a foul, hand or any other indirect call is strongly forbidden) Muller and saying that it wasn't even a foul & that it was a bad call and not for a red card
It wasn't a foul and it wasn't a headbutt. His actions should have been punished alright (glad we agree again), but it was a stupid intinidatory action, not an outright act of aggression, hence why the red card was exaggerated.
admirschleck wrote:but that, I have to agree, controversy possible penalty, that happened while Germany led by 3-0 and when it was clear that you lost this match is now, out of nowhere, so important? I agree Mažić could easily blow the whistle and make that a penalty, as it was really a tough decision - but he didn't decide to
Who said it was important? I said it was a wrong call and that it was more evident than the previous penalty. Besides you have to agree that 3-1 would have been much more easy to deal with in the aftermatch than this 4-0 result.
admirschleck wrote:and that's what you have to deal with.
I'm dealing with so many things right now, give me a break!
admirschleck wrote:Now, go to a corner and cry because Germany raped (would, even with that penalty and even without a red card for a Pepe) you.
There were 11 balanced minutes minutes before the penalty and 37 of numerical equality, and even though that happened we were able to produce a few goal chances. I'm inclined to assume the opposite of that.
To sum up: I'm not saying Portugal would have won or even that they would have avoided this shameful result. My single point in this discussion is that the ref influenced this match right from the beggining and had a clear impact on the result. I'm not disputing the fact that the portuguese players couldn't deal with the happenings of the game, which is pretty much what happened.
@Gustavovskiy: No need to start/continue a long discussion.
If a player uses his arms or head to touch an opponent, he cannot complain if the referee gives a card. If he does it in the penalty zone or very obviously it will result in a penalty kick or a red card. End of the story...
You are right about the referee, but the same can be said about the German and Portuguese players. All 25 persons on the field have an influence on the game, if not, something would be wrong.
The trick for the players is to influence it to their own benefit and to prevent the referee to do the opposite.
Edited by Lachi on 17-06-2014 11:09
Did Gustavo stole your sweet roll or something? Or is Mažić a very intimate person to you for cracking like that?
Funny that no one commented my video back there. The game was stopped, Diego Costa leans his head to Indi, the referee saw it and did nothing but a warning.
Anyway, Germany would still win the game as I said before, portuguese midfield seemed very tired, allways losing the ball, and that's deadly against a very organized and pressing team like Germany. They may very well go all the way to the final and win it, if nothing bad happens.
Ok, I really won't bother myself to answer your message now Gustav, as I already said what I had, but I'll ask you a question: Why do you keep quoting only one part of my sentence/s and therefore changing its/their meaning completely? Isn't that a bit miserable?
I guess it's time to remind you:
- It was just a football game
- No need to get personal here
- Pointing out "just because you are XYZ" is also unclever
- Misquoting is not nice b3n3v3nt3!
Pepe was just very unclever against a european referee making a headbutt is simply unclever.
And that was a headbutt because you doesn't have to headbutt the opponent so hard that he spits out his teeth.
FIFA doesn't want those stuff on the pitch and so that qualifies for a red card.
Edited by Rin on 17-06-2014 11:22
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I work at a school and I can tell you that these kids imitate footballers and that ain't good. Just look at a football match, it's like a bunch of kids. Very, very aggressive kids.
I wish kids would mirror themselves to cyclists instead. "Fall down and get up", that's a nicer motto than "tackle each other, headbutt, always go down, schwalbe and try to play as mean as possible but pretend nothing has happened with the ref"
I agree that the Eder/Howedes situation was really tough to judge & as I said it was one of these situations where it could've been a penalty without a problem, but could've been opposite easily either. Really tough to decide, Mažić said that it wasn't (my personal opinion is that it was one), but that doesn't justifies Ronaldo's behavior just few seconds after that situation at all. On another side, two other decisions (Pepe red card & Penalty for Germany) were more than clear.
I don't agree, Ian. Football is one beautiful sport once you learn to handle the defeat like a man. One does not simply do that over here.
I work at a school and I can tell you that these kids imitate footballers and that ain't good. Just look at a football match, it's like a bunch of kids. Very, very aggressive kids.
I wish kids would mirror themselves to cyclists instead. "Fall down and get up", that's a nicer motto than "tackle each other, headbutt, always go down, schwalbe and try to play as mean as possible but pretend nothing has happened with the ref"
my team of the day
I'm even going to watch it on their television channel
edit: I fix messy format Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 17-06-2014 12:08
admirschleck wrote:
I don't agree, Ian. Football is one beautiful sport once you learn to handle the defeat like a man. One does not simply do that over here.
I'm sorry but that has nothing to with what I mean
I'm just saying that footballers are role models to kids and they do not set a good example.
Look what goes on down at the pitch. This is really a sport where it's a tactic to try to get a reaction from your opponent, to provoke him. It's also a sport where honesty is not promoted.
Added to that is the fact that a lot of these footballers get on the news in negative ways: they were caught speeding 40 mph over the speeding limit, they drove into some gas station...
I'm not saying it's not a beautiful sport. I'm just saying the sport needs some changes. Because our kids look up to these guys and frankly, that's scary.
admirschleck wrote:
I don't agree, Ian. Football is one beautiful sport once you learn to handle the defeat like a man. One does not simply do that over here.
I'm sorry but that has nothing to with what I mean
I'm just saying that footballers are role models to kids and they do not set a good example.
Look what goes on down at the pitch. This is really a sport where it's a tactic to try to get a reaction from your opponent, to provoke him. It's also a sport where honesty is not promoted.
Added to that is the fact that a lot of these footballers get on the news in negative ways: they were caught speeding 40 mph over the speeding limit, they drove into some gas station...
I'm not saying it's not a beautiful sport. I'm just saying the sport needs some changes. Because our kids look up to these guys and frankly, that's scary.
Come on really. If you think the role models need to change, then there's a better place to start: Reality tv and pop idols need to be erased from the planet (At least those appelling to young people)
Maybe some footballers need to change, but overall most footballers behave nicely. All these bands / singers like One Direction, Justin Bieber all get high on crack, weed and stuff like that. How good role models are they?
But this discussion is taking a wrong turn since it a WC thread.
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admirschleck wrote:
I don't agree, Ian. Football is one beautiful sport once you learn to handle the defeat like a man. One does not simply do that over here.
I'm sorry but that has nothing to with what I mean
I'm just saying that footballers are role models to kids and they do not set a good example.
Look what goes on down at the pitch. This is really a sport where it's a tactic to try to get a reaction from your opponent, to provoke him. It's also a sport where honesty is not promoted.
Added to that is the fact that a lot of these footballers get on the news in negative ways: they were caught speeding 40 mph over the speeding limit, they drove into some gas station...
I'm not saying it's not a beautiful sport. I'm just saying the sport needs some changes. Because our kids look up to these guys and frankly, that's scary.
Come on really. If you think the role models need to change, then there's a better place to start: Reality tv and pop idols need to be erased from the planet (At least those appelling to young people)
Maybe some footballers need to change, but overall most footballers behave nicely. All these bands / singers like One Direction, Justin Bieber all get high on crack, weed and stuff like that. How good role models are they?
But this discussion is taking a wrong turn since it a WC thread.
Again that's not my point. I'm not talking about pop idols and reality tv (though I agree with you there).
I'm talking about the behaviour of professional football players on the pitch. You can't deny that those are some pumped up testosterone guys who look ready to blow at any minute.
But this is indeed not the place to discuss this.
admirschleck wrote:
I don't agree, Ian. Football is one beautiful sport once you learn to handle the defeat like a man. One does not simply do that over here.
I'm sorry but that has nothing to with what I mean
I'm just saying that footballers are role models to kids and they do not set a good example.
Look what goes on down at the pitch. This is really a sport where it's a tactic to try to get a reaction from your opponent, to provoke him. It's also a sport where honesty is not promoted.
Added to that is the fact that a lot of these footballers get on the news in negative ways: they were caught speeding 40 mph over the speeding limit, they drove into some gas station...
I'm not saying it's not a beautiful sport. I'm just saying the sport needs some changes. Because our kids look up to these guys and frankly, that's scary.
If we are talking about role models, then the PARENTS have to change first.
Polluting the environment, consuming alcohol, smoking, being part of the monkey business, just name it.
Lachi wrote:
If we are talking about role models, then the PARENTS have to change first.
Polluting the environment, consuming alcohol, smoking, being part of the monkey business, just name it.
Again, I'm not talking about that.
I agree completely with you, but that has nothing to do with my argument.
That's like if I would say: cigarettes are bad and you'd say: heroine is much worse.
But yeah, there are some questionable parents out there, that's a fact.
I thought Paulo Bento was braindead by not starting William Carvalho yesterday but today Wilmots topped it by starting Chadli ahead of Mertens and Mirallas.
Lachi wrote:
You are right about the referee, but the same can be said about the German and Portuguese players. All 25 persons on the field have an influence on the game, if not, something would be wrong.
The trick for the players is to influence it to their own benefit and to prevent the referee to do the opposite.
Absolutely agreed, but isn't it alright to comment on that afterwards? I think the portuguese GK's performance was disgraceful, I think Muller's was both theatrical and extremely effective. He really took every chance he got and is deservedly the best scorer of the WC so far. I also think the ref was utter shite. I like to comment on these things and let people know why I think this way, as I read what others think of it as well. Constructive review of the gameplay is part of what fascinates me about this sport.
I'm sorry if my comments may have seemed a bit arrogant, but in hindsight you'll find that they were all based on arguments and facts trying to prove a point.
@admir: I'm going to bury my sword now, as I understand that my remarks are probably upsetting you and others, which isn't really my point. Let's just agree to disagree. And I'm sorry if I twisted the meaning of your comments by dividing them. I don't think that was the case but, anyway, I did that to better address your statements.
Now let's see what this Belgium is worth. They've got high expectations on them, but they surely have the arguments for a great campaign.
