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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 27-03-2014 11:11
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I would love to see Froome lose something like 5 min to his rivals on the cobbles stage. It would force him to make some ridiculous attacks like the one last year in Ax3-Domaines (correct me if I am wrong), it would be quite funny to watch.
Edited by Schleck96 on 27-03-2014 11:26
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| kubys |
Posted on 27-03-2014 11:15
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Don't know if we can count him as GC guy, but Kwiato is also very good on cobbles.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 27-03-2014 11:30
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kubys wrote:
Much more interesting will be relevation of Froome's cobble ability. I think he can't go far there with his weird style of riding, he can lose loads of time.
I don't know, he weighs about 10kg more than most of the other GC guys which will help to keep the downward pressure that you need (He is ~70kg while Cancellara/Boonen are both ~80kg and most of his GC rivals are ~60kg).
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-03-2014 11:34
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I don't believe Boonen weighs 80 kg at the moment, see the pic I posted in the news topic. He did the previous seasons though. |
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| kubys |
Posted on 27-03-2014 11:44
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CountArach wrote:
kubys wrote:
Much more interesting will be relevation of Froome's cobble ability. I think he can't go far there with his weird style of riding, he can lose loads of time.
I don't know, he weighs about 10kg more than most of the other GC guys which will help to keep the downward pressure that you need (He is ~70kg while Cancellara/Boonen are both ~80kg and most of his GC rivals are ~60kg).
I don't think there's direct correlation between your weight and your ability to ride over cobbles. It follows rather from bike handling imo.
F.e. Å tybar and Langeveld are much lighter than Boasson Hagen, while both are much better than him.
Edited by kubys on 27-03-2014 11:47
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 27-03-2014 12:36
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I forgot about Kwiat, he's probably the best.
Does anyone know how well Mollema is on cobbles? It would be awesome if OPQS and Belkin perform a putch on the cobble stage. |
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| kqyt |
Posted on 27-03-2014 16:21
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Is Alex. Kristoff in the race E3 Harelbeke?
Edited by kqyt on 27-03-2014 16:24
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 27-03-2014 16:32
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
I forgot about Kwiat, he's probably the best.
Does anyone know how well Mollema is on cobbles? It would be awesome if OPQS and Belkin perform a putch on the cobble stage.
I think he said that he was confident about them, so who knows?
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| Gulvplanke |
Posted on 27-03-2014 18:34
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kqyt wrote:
Is Alex. Kristoff in the race E3 Harelbeke?
No.
How hard can it be?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 27-03-2014 19:05
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kubys wrote:
CountArach wrote:
kubys wrote:
Much more interesting will be relevation of Froome's cobble ability. I think he can't go far there with his weird style of riding, he can lose loads of time.
I don't know, he weighs about 10kg more than most of the other GC guys which will help to keep the downward pressure that you need (He is ~70kg while Cancellara/Boonen are both ~80kg and most of his GC rivals are ~60kg).
I don't think there's direct correlation between your weight and your ability to ride over cobbles. It follows rather from bike handling imo.
F.e. Å tybar and Langeveld are much lighter than Boasson Hagen, while both are much better than him.
Both factors matter. A lot. Handling on the pavé is one skill (not the same as bike handling in general) and being heavier is something else. Both help, both are needed
HOWEVER. If the cobbles are on climbs, weight doesn't matter and pavé riding barely matters. Convince Nibali, Valverde, Contador, Purito, etc to make the Ronde van Vlaanderen a serious target and peak for it, and they'll win it.
Convince them to ride Roubaix and they'll all DNF
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-03-2014 20:02
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Though that is true, I wouldn't put it that way.
In general RVV cobbles are much more gentle than Paris-Roubaix classics. I believe that's because in Belgium RVV uses normally cobbled roads, whereas in France most cobbled segments are just preserved for the sake of the race, or as access to fields for farmers.
So, cobbles skills becomes a more prevalent factor in PR than in RVV or races with the same type of cobbles.
And of course weight helps feeling comfortable on the cobbles.
Then physics comes into play. In RVV (a lot of cobbled hills, some very steep), the advantage of the weight becomes counter-balanced by the power per weight unit ratio (W/kg), whereas in Roubaix it's flatter, so more a matter of sheer power and aerodynamics, weight doesn't really come into play (although it usually goes along with more sheer power). |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-03-2014 20:18
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After Dwars Door I see Farrar winning Gent on Sunday fro sure. 
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| 547984 |
Posted on 27-03-2014 20:25
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baseballlover312 wrote:
After Dwars Door I see Farrar winning Gent on Sunday fro sure.
Can't be a mass sprint though. 
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-03-2014 20:29
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547984 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
After Dwars Door I see Farrar winning Gent on Sunday fro sure.
Can't be a mass sprint though.
Not true, last few have been quite close to that.
https://www.procyc...elgem_2013
https://www.procyc...elgem-2012
Notice the Goss and Bennati there.
https://www.procyc...elgem-2011
And this one was straight up. in fact, I recognize a name in third.
https://www.procyc...elgem-2010
And finally, not a mass sprint, but what a coincidence in the top 10 there.
In my opinion Gent is really a sprinters classic for guys with some cobbles skill. Not enough selection for guys like Cancellara to win often.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 27-03-2014 20:35
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You didn't understand what I meant. I meant that Farrar can't win in a bunch sprint for the win, he can only wheelsuck
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-03-2014 20:37
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547984 wrote:
You didn't understand what I meant. I meant that Farrar can't win in a bunch sprint for the win, he can only wheelsuck
He was first int he bunch sprint for Dwars. i guess what you're saying is if that had been for the win he wouldn't have launched. Which wouldn't be uncommon of him.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-03-2014 06:36
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baseballlover312 wrote:
After Dwars Door I see Farrar winning Gent on Sunday fro sure.
Well, good luck in beating Sagan and others.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 28-03-2014 09:07
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So it's time for E3. I think it will be very interesting compared to earlier years with all the big ones expected to be ready.
Will Boonen be ready after his personal tragedy?
Will Cancellara be bothered to start doing some proper racing?
Have Sagan found the form in time for the cobbles?
Does Valverde have ambitions or does he just want to take part?
Full startlist: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/E...-Startlist
The winners from the last 9 editions all in here along with top 11 from last year, which surely sets the stage for some great racing!
Also I'm surprised to see that Lasse Norman Hansen have been given the number 1 by Garmin ahead of Farrar!
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 28-03-2014 09:15
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Looks a nice startlist, lets hope for a good race too  |
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| kubys |
Posted on 28-03-2014 09:24
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Aquarius wrote:
Though that is true, I wouldn't put it that way.
In general RVV cobbles are much more gentle than Paris-Roubaix classics. I believe that's because in Belgium RVV uses normally cobbled roads, whereas in France most cobbled segments are just preserved for the sake of the race, or as access to fields for farmers.
So, cobbles skills becomes a more prevalent factor in PR than in RVV or races with the same type of cobbles.
And of course weight helps feeling comfortable on the cobbles.
Then physics comes into play. In RVV (a lot of cobbled hills, some very steep), the advantage of the weight becomes counter-balanced by the power per weight unit ratio (W/kg), whereas in Roubaix it's flatter, so more a matter of sheer power and aerodynamics, weight doesn't really come into play (although it usually goes along with more sheer power).
+1
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