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SotD
Top  #81 Print Post
Posted on 14-02-2011 17:39
alexkr00 wrote:
SotD wrote:
jolly_antunes wrote:
Dear lord, 4 and a half minutes Shock


Yeah Sella was really really misplaced in this race... That's too bad, cause he could've come to great use in another 8-9 day race :-(


Yeah, but I'm not sure there was another race for him.

If I'm not mistaking Sella was in Paris - Nice, Dauphine, Asturias and here. Not many races left that would have suited him Pfft

One last chance for Van Stayen to grab a stage win. Hopefully he will take the points jersey at least.


True, but there was another GT... The Tour de France could've been quite good for him I think. - How many racedays did Sella have?
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Posted on 14-02-2011 18:18
SotD wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
SotD wrote:
jolly_antunes wrote:
Dear lord, 4 and a half minutes Shock


Yeah Sella was really really misplaced in this race... That's too bad, cause he could've come to great use in another 8-9 day race :-(


Yeah, but I'm not sure there was another race for him.

If I'm not mistaking Sella was in Paris - Nice, Dauphine, Asturias and here. Not many races left that would have suited him Pfft

One last chance for Van Stayen to grab a stage win. Hopefully he will take the points jersey at least.


True, but there was another GT... The Tour de France could've been quite good for him I think. - How many racedays did Sella have?


48. But the TDF is rather unpredictable and there also was a long flat TT at the finish, where Sella would have lost time, just like here.

I think Jolly chose the best races for Sella in the end, as he won Paris - Nice and took 2 (?) stage wins in Dauphine.
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SportingNonsense
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Posted on 14-02-2011 18:31
SotD, Plouay is a CT race Wink
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SotD
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Posted on 14-02-2011 18:33
Perhaps he did... Just seemed a bit odd to me that he would race in Germany where it has been quite notably the better TT'ers who did well...

He could've done the Vuelta instead of the Tour then, but then only 6 racedays left of course... The small tours definately haven't been in his favour this season. I think that Castaño might end up very close to him in terms of points, which is rather strange. Oh well - I still have to rely on no crashes, so I'm not going to say much about Castaño yet Smile
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Posted on 14-02-2011 18:33
SportingNonsense wrote:
SotD, Plouay is a CT race Wink


lol yeah, the Fourmies I meant Smile
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SportingNonsense
Top  #86 Print Post
Posted on 14-02-2011 23:43
Very happy with the race as far as Uran is concerned. 9 seconds is a bit of a shame, but 2nd overall is not to be looked down upon. Securing a Top 5 in the standings has to be priority over chasing 3rd, and this race has done that well.
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p3druh
Top  #87 Print Post
Posted on 14-02-2011 23:50
SportingNonsense wrote:Securing a Top 5 in the standings has to be priority over chasing 3rd, and this race has done that well.

Was just about to say something like that.

First overall win of the season and another season goal accomplished. Looks like 4 out of 5 Grin
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Posted on 15-02-2011 00:03
Rogers really hasn't had the luck on this stage has he
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Posted on 15-02-2011 00:10
3 in the top 20. Not bad and a pity Oscar wasn't strong enough to sneak a stage win there.
 
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Posted on 15-02-2011 07:43
Not that many crashes for me this season so I guess it was time. But Pedraza was not in too good position anyway, so not that many points lost. I guess Gazzetta was hit a bit harder.

Nice to see Mortensen in the break, eventough he didn't stand a chance of winning.
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SotD
Top  #91 Print Post
Posted on 15-02-2011 09:50
Phew. No crashes for me here. La Gazzetta was hard done here, as they lost the chance to close down on Sony... I guess it's my luck though, as I end up ahead of them, but I don't want it that way.

Castaño 5th here is a magnificent acomplishment and with Madrazo in 19th it is more like 3rd pointwise, so I'm very happy with that. Another race where I minimize pointlosses to an absolute minimum of what was expected. Seems my top 5 goal is almost secured by now... Now for defending my 3rd place, which will be much tougher.
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alexkr00
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Posted on 15-02-2011 13:20
alexkr00 wrote:
One last chance for Van Stayen to grab a stage win. Hopefully he will take the points jersey at least.


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Gustavovskiy
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Posted on 16-02-2011 01:01
Great race.

It's only a pity there were so few decisive stages which could add more to its unpredictability. Nevertheless it was a really tight race between the 4 main contenders.

Also great reporting, once more, SN. It's always a pleasure to read your writings. The TTs most of all, you make a wonderful effort on those. The way you pass on the info without spoiling any of the final tension of the stage sets you apart imo.

EDIT: btw Energie 1st in the Teams Classification = banana time Banana
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SportingNonsense
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Posted on 16-02-2011 12:07
Rankings Update - Just for Deutschland, a separate Fourmies one can come later

The race doesnt really effect the very top of the rankings, but still has plenty of influence on the Top 10, and then all positions downwards. Sella keeps his 6th place for now, holding off a strong score from Rigoberto Uran. The Colombian is now done for the season, but moves ahead of Frank Schleck, for now at least. B&O duo Hagen and Pluchkin are also on the up, and into the Top 10, as Dekker goes 12th.

Race winner Markus Fothen is into 19th as he Nibali, Castano and Roelandts all pass 1000 points.

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25TomBoonenBELWarner Brothers1008
26Luis LeonSanchez GilESPEnergie-Diesel995
27JaroslavPopovychUKRCarmeuse Cyclisme986
28FabianCancellaraSWICarmeuse Cyclisme960
29JanezBrajkovicSLODomina Vacanze949
30JeromeCoppelFRAAuber 93 - Look927
32PatrikSinkewitzGERAuber 93 - Look872
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70EnricoFranzoiITAPearl Adidas412
74DenisMenchovRUSLafarge347
78RobertKiserlovskiCROTeam Starbucks-Radioshack325
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83TomDanielsonUSALipton Ice Tea313
85NicoKeinathGERTeam B&O308
86LarsBoomNEDAuber 93 - Look306
88VladimirEfimkinRUSTeam Starbucks-Radioshack303
89KaiReusNEDAuber 93 - Look302
93AndreiGrivkoUKRTeam B&O283
99AngelMadrazoESPFestina - Corona249
100YoannOffredoFRAPearl Adidas247
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118PierreRollandFRAAuber 93 - Look208
122JairoAgudeloCOLLa Gazzetta dello Sport201
123MauroSantambrogioITALa Gazzetta dello Sport200
126MateaKvasinaCROVesuvio-Accumalux197
127AndrewTennantGBRCafé de Colombia196
128FabioDuarteCOLCafé de Colombia196
131DomenikKlemmeGERTeam B&O194
137BenoîtVaugrenardFRAJack Wolfskin186
138AndréSteensenDENTeam B&O183
139TimDeesNEDFestina - Corona182
147PedroNicácioBRAEnergie-Diesel171
151Michael Faerk ChristensenDENTeam B&O166
152FranciscoManceboESPJack Wolfskin163
153JakubDanacikCZESony Ericsson163
155MauroFacciITAWarner Brothers162
159IvanoLo CiceroITATeam Nespresso158
163CarlosBarredoESPWarner Brothers154
165KristofVandewalleBELLa Gazzetta dello Sport153
166Lars YttingBakDENPhilips - TDC152
174MaximeBouetFRAAuber 93 - Look147
178MarkusEibeggerAUTDomina Vacanze145
179TrentLoweAUSTeam Starbucks-Radioshack145
184JasonDonaldUSAJack Wolfskin143
188KoenDe KortNEDJack Wolfskin136
191SebastianLangGERSony Ericsson133
192MichaelFordAUSVesuvio-Accumalux133
193AngelViciosoESPEnergie-Diesel132
194GustavoVelosoESPEnergie-Diesel129
197HuguesMottinFRATeam Nespresso128
198BranislavSamoilevBLRPearl Adidas127
199StefanCohnenNEDPhilips - TDC125
201PhillipThuauxAUSLafarge124
207TylerFarrarUSAWikipedia123
211JurgenVan GoolenBELFestina - Corona121
212JesusTenderoESPEnergie-Diesel120
213RemmertWielingaNEDLa Gazzetta dello Sport119
215MarcelSiebergGERJack Wolfskin118
216ThomasFaiersGBRVesuvio-Accumalux117
218FreddyJohanssonSWDSony Ericsson114
221ÓscarSolisBOLCarmeuse Cyclisme111
223WilmerVasquezVENLa Gazzetta dello Sport111
224WilliamBonnetFRALafarge111
227RomanKreuzigerCZETeam B&O111
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233KevinHulsmansBELWarner Brothers109
236JakobFuglsangDENPhilips - TDC108
237JoseMendesPORTeam Nespresso106
240NielsScheunemannNEDPhilips - TDC104
241RembertoJaramilloCOLTeam Starbucks-Radioshack104
242BenGastauerLUXVesuvio-Accumalux104
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247JacobFiedlerGERTeam Nespresso102
250BjörnSchröderGERDomina Vacanze101
251LucasSchädlichGERFestina - Corona101
257ThomasBontenackelsGERLipton Ice Tea99
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259PedroSibila RomeroCUBTeam Starbucks-Radioshack99
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264RickFlensNEDLa Gazzetta dello Sport96
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278José JoaquinRojas GilESPEnergie-Diesel91
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417JurgenVan den BroeckBELWildcard: Sport Lisboa e Benfica47
421WillemVan Den EyndeBELCarmeuse Cyclisme45
425OlivierKaisenBELWikipedia45
436William GermánRodríguez ParraCOLCafé de Colombia39
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Posted on 16-02-2011 12:13
Teams

The gap to Sony Ericsson is continuing to close, now down to 654 points. They have no huge need to worry yet, but the chasing La Gazzetta, Festina, Pearl and Vesuvio are continuing to be consistently high scorers in recent races and moving clear in the Top 5 battle at least. La Gazzetta still hold the advantage in 2nd, as Festina look to hold off Pearl and Vesuvio - the latter 2 will require a strong end of the season to break through. Its likely to be between Festina and Pearl imo.

Zabriskie's crash is a blow to Wikipedia's Top 5 hopes, while the TTT performance and Pluchkin's efforts helped to make B&O the top scorer in Deutschland. Theyre up 4 spots to 7th, and have received a major boost in their Top 10 aspirations. The battle for the rest of the Top 10 remains tight though, Jack Wolfskin, Auber, Domina and Lipton all scoring to a similar level - and Warner Bros still in there, although now behind Lipton.

Cafe de Colombia and Philips look set for a Top 15 placing but perhaps nothing better - and behind them its not been a great race for Energie. They may have won the teams classification but lose 103 points to Carmeuse, and 14 points to Nespresso. The uphill battle is getting harder for them, while Starbucks are barely clinging on to any sort of hope at all now.

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22La Gazzetta dello Sport6860
33Festina - Corona6603
44Pearl Adidas6456
55Vesuvio-Accumalux6366
66Wikipedia5971
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jolly_antunes
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Posted on 16-02-2011 12:17
Season to forget...
 
SotD
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Posted on 16-02-2011 14:14
jolly_antunes wrote:
Season to forget...


Yeah I can't believe how you managed to get this unlucky. Your team is soo much better than this imo...
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