Shonak wrote:
Looking at the size of Evans' group, this wasn't simply to continue to ride. This was an attack onto the peloton, who was all but caught up. There were 5-6 riders in that group, and they rode full pace. It was an attack on riders that could not answer at that point. This has nothing to with "BMC did ride before" or "they didn't cause the crash".
Oh, and don't expect me to cheer for Matthews either. Guy has no class in pink.
EDIT: in any case, the only thing that people, some riders and some fans, take as a legitimate reason to stop a race seems to be death.
Matthews did nothing wrong at all, Evans maybe but not Matthews, Wellens, Rabotini.
Matthews did as much as Evans. His teammates took turns at the front too.
Edited by Metriz- on 15-05-2014 16:50
Kritzo wrote:
Just piss off BMC. Piss off. Stupid c***s.
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Yeah. Don't know about you, but I don't like when someone is exploiting others' bad luck.
But who should they wait for? Is it fine to wait for Quintana? Should they wait for Rodriguez or even Brajkovic/Caruso? When is it okay for them to do the bike race again? They have the Pink jersey in their group, that's the unwritten rule people talk about usually.
This one?
Hard to say really. It was chaotic in the beginning..
I don't know. They should have waited for the next group. Evans has just made it bad for himself. Everyone is after him now and he will have a hard time in the mountains.
Pellizotti2 wrote:
After today, anyone but Evans for the overall
What did he do wrong?
He took advantage of a massive crash.
Here are the facts: His team was already at the front, so he had intentions of upping the pace before the crash. When they crashed who should he wait for? There were several groups with several leaders down. Should he just wait for your personal favourite?They couldn't possibly know who were fine and who were hurt, so no way of knowing when to start riding. Who should get the stage win?
What about Matthews? He took as much advantage of the situation as Evans. His teammates took turns at the front too, robbing other potential stage winners of their chance, yet people seem to be congratiolating him.
And no, I'm not an Evans fan, far from it.
IMO they should have waited for the biggest group on the road.
TimoCycling wrote:
I had little sympathy for Cadel already, but this is just low... Pathetic rider, I hope he gets squashed when the real mountains come.
Kelderman looking good today though, I think he fell aswell though, but was very strong! Hope he can maintain this.
This is the problem with fanboys, you don't look at this logically. If he had wiated for Kelderman, but not for Majka who was further back it would have been fine in your eyes.
And you're only mad at Evans because he took time overall, not at Matthews who took a stage win he most likely wouln't have gotten no crash.
It's a shame cyclists fall and get hurt, but if you fall, for whatever reason (slippery roads, bad positioning etc.), where others stay upright, there is no reason for them who can handle their bikes in those particular conditions to wait. Stop this stupid únwritten rule' or we could also say: 'Let's wait for Cavendish in the mountains, or he might miss the timecut!' It's getting ridiculous...
Of course some are going to be angry, mainly his rivals, and that's understandable, but he managed to stay upright, and get in a great position. He was absolutely right to use it!
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Kritzo wrote:
Just piss off BMC. Piss off. Stupid c***s.
?
Yeah. Don't know about you, but I don't like when someone is exploiting others' bad luck.
But who should they wait for? Is it fine to wait for Quintana? Should they wait for Rodriguez or even Brajkovic/Caruso? When is it okay for them to do the bike race again? They have the Pink jersey in their group, that's the unwritten rule people talk about usually.
This one?
Hard to say really. It was chaotic in the beginning..
I don't know. They should have waited for the next group. Evans has just made it bad for himself. Everyone is after him now and he will have a hard time in the mountains.
As chaotic as it is for you it's x10 that in the peloton. They had no way of knowing who were fine and who were down. Wait for the biggest group? But if Rodriguez was 30 seconds behind that group chasing hard, people would still be mad!
Shonak wrote:
Looking at the size of Evans' group, this wasn't simply to continue to ride. This was an attack onto the peloton, who was all but caught up. There were 5-6 riders in that group, and they rode full pace. It was an attack on riders that could not answer at that point. This has nothing to with "BMC did ride before" or "they didn't cause the crash".
Oh, and don't expect me to cheer for Matthews either. Guy has no class in pink.
EDIT: in any case, the only thing that people, some riders and some fans, take as a legitimate reason to stop a race seems to be death.
Matthews did nothing wrong at all, Evans maybe but not Matthews, Wellens, Rabotini.
I havn't seen them talking to Evans at any point. Seemed to be glad that they could follow BMC wheels and be free of all blame. In my eyes, people that just let it happen, take no word or action against it and benefit from something like that, are only slightly better than the ones who do it (please no murder etc. -allegories as respone, this opinion is only based upon cycling now). And yes, Matthews obviously profited big time from it... stage win, got to keep maglia rosa.
@Metriz: Wait for the first big group, pretty easy. I repeat, this was not a peloton. This was a group of 7 riders, where coordination and communication could be easily made. This was furthermore an attack and not a "pace-riding", as was originally intended maybe by the team. I wonder what excuse Evans and Matthews will come up with: "I didn't know they were down", surely won't work this time around.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
Pellizotti2 wrote:
After today, anyone but Evans for the overall
What did he do wrong?
He took advantage of a massive crash.
Here are the facts: His team was already at the front, so he had intentions of upping the pace before the crash. When they crashed who should he wait for? There were several groups with several leaders down. Should he just wait for your personal favourite?They couldn't possibly know who were fine and who were hurt, so no way of knowing when to start riding. Who should get the stage win?
What about Matthews? He took as much advantage of the situation as Evans. His teammates took turns at the front too, robbing other potential stage winners of their chance, yet people seem to be congratiolating him.
And no, I'm not an Evans fan, far from it.
Exactly...Why all hate Evans? Dont tell me that he should have stopped and wait for Rodrigez or Quintana..Lol thats cycling and how it goes...And it was 10 km to go....
Edited by Kalach on 15-05-2014 16:58
Pellizotti2 wrote:
After today, anyone but Evans for the overall
What did he do wrong?
He took advantage of a massive crash.
Here are the facts: His team was already at the front, so he had intentions of upping the pace before the crash. When they crashed who should he wait for? There were several groups with several leaders down. Should he just wait for your personal favourite?They couldn't possibly know who were fine and who were hurt, so no way of knowing when to start riding. Who should get the stage win?
What about Matthews? He took as much advantage of the situation as Evans. His teammates took turns at the front too, robbing other potential stage winners of their chance, yet people seem to be congratiolating him.
And no, I'm not an Evans fan, far from it.
Exactly...Why all hate Evans? Dont tell me that he should have stopped and wait for Rodrigez or Quintana..Lol thats cycling and how it goes...And it was 10 km to go....
Ollfardh wrote:
Come on guys, don't make Cadel cry!
But yeah, he shouldn't have waited for several reasons. Most importantly, we had a very entertaining finish, stop complaining
I simply hate when riders take advantage of others crashes or punctures. Atleast its okay to see guy like Froome who drops everyone on a mountain in a fair game or Horner who comes out of no where to win GC. This was more like Belkin last year with Valverde or Condator when Andy Schleck punctured all those years ago.
TimoCycling wrote:
I had little sympathy for Cadel already, but this is just low... Pathetic rider, I hope he gets squashed when the real mountains come.
Kelderman looking good today though, I think he fell aswell though, but was very strong! Hope he can maintain this.
This is the problem with fanboys, you don't look at this logically. If he had wiated for Kelderman, but not for Majka who was further back it would have been fine in your eyes.
And you're only mad at Evans because he took time overall, not at Matthews who took a stage win he most likely wouln't have gotten no crash.
Bla bla bla fanboy yeah sure, kid. I'm talking about ethics and respect, not about waiting for a particular rider. He should've waited out of respect, instead of going full throttle. I hope everybody will work against him.
TimoCycling wrote:
I had little sympathy for Cadel already, but this is just low... Pathetic rider, I hope he gets squashed when the real mountains come.
Kelderman looking good today though, I think he fell aswell though, but was very strong! Hope he can maintain this.
This is the problem with fanboys, you don't look at this logically. If he had wiated for Kelderman, but not for Majka who was further back it would have been fine in your eyes.
And you're only mad at Evans because he took time overall, not at Matthews who took a stage win he most likely wouln't have gotten no crash.
Bla bla bla fanboy yeah sure, kid. I'm talking about ethics and respect, not about waiting for a particular rider. He should've waited out of respect, instead of going full throttle. I hope everybody will work against him.
How did you then feel about the stage last year in the crosswinds? I do seem to remember that you and ruben defended Belkin in that particular case - talking bout the stage where Valverde lost his GC
Edited by Riis123 on 15-05-2014 17:00
Shonak wrote:
@Metriz: Wait for the first big group, pretty easy. I repeat, this was not a peloton. This was a group of 7 riders, where coordination and communication could be easily made. This was furthermore an attack and not a "pace-riding", as was originally intended maybe by the team. I wonder what excuse Evans and Matthews will come up with: "I didn't know they were down", surely won't work this time around.
We didn't see the split. The group was much bigger in the beggining, but a lot fell of on the hill. But either way they should be allowed to attack, it's fucking cycling! It was at the foot of the hill. There's abselutely no reason they should wait for the biggest group. Only if Matthews was in that group you could argue that.
