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Vuelta al País Vasco Discussion
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 07-01-2020 18:38
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SotD wrote:
Hmm, definately not ideal gameplay in my oppinion. This season is really weird - and VERY different.
Horrible results in a man game context, I'm just explaining what happened.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 07-01-2020 19:15
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Stüssi?!?
I'm very happy about a Top 10 in general, but I fear this one won't be worth much if he can't overperform on two more stages like this, I expected and would've much rather preferred Vasyliv to be up our first finisher...
But if this does even translate into a good GC for both, I'll take it! Especially with again many teams pretty much randomly not getting anything from this.
For now, Stüssi should be motivated for the TT though, and if he keeps a Top 10 spot after that, maybe the AI rewards him with good positioning which means a lot.
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 07-01-2020 19:18
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Flugel looses 6 mins and is the 5th best Kraftwerk finisher, not what I was expecting.
Thank goodness Scheit went for the KOM to save our race.
Congrats to redordead and thanks to Tamijo for all the hard reporting work.
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| maxime86 |
Posted on 08-01-2020 06:38
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SotD wrote:
Hmm, definately not ideal gameplay in my oppinion. This season is really weird - and VERY different.
Coppel is going to be useless this season after not accepting a 400k+ deal (which in retrospect was right on target as to what he probably deserved...). This is single-handedly going to tank my season i think ouch
Edit: didnt even see the stage 4 results before posting that, so I'm definitely getting relegated if a high hill stats + insane ITT stat on Coppel means 50th place. He finished behind freaking Aleksa Crncevic who has like 3 seasons before being maxed out for me... Super frustrating.
Really appreciate you checking the replay tamijo btw, thank you!
Edited by maxime86 on 08-01-2020 06:46
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 08-01-2020 08:20
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Senni you beauty, what a ride for some unexpected stage points! It would be great if he can hold on to that top 20, but hills aren't his thing.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 08-01-2020 08:25
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Indeed this is going to be a long season for many of us. I remember hearing a lot of talk about how important backup stats would be in PCM 18, but I didn't realise we were also talking about MO as a backup stat (which it kind of is in this sort of stages). Nothing it can be done now, except for fooling around with the OVL formula for next season I guess. Big bummer though.
Back to the race. Congrats for another solid victory matt. Generali is destroying the race!
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| redordead |
Posted on 08-01-2020 08:33
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That's probably as good as Beltran could have done. Made full use of the steep climb to do a very good TT. Looking solid in 2nd place for now 
I think stage 5 should be more for the "pure" puncheurs as there is less total climbing, while stage 6 looks like another good stage for Beltran, if he keeps his form.
Congrats on a another win Matt
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| tastasol |
Posted on 08-01-2020 10:26
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A great race for Gesink so far, and a great stage win here. Congrats Matt! After the last two seasons with great success in this race, it surely feels like I'm missing out on something not being here Hope to see some good racing the next days!
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 08-01-2020 10:51
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Makes me wanna vomit over and over again
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| cio93 |
Posted on 08-01-2020 10:56
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I take back any Vasyliv criticism from earlier!! 
Second behind Gesink is basically a win in any race but a GT, and really good points besides the GG implications. Great ride from Stüssi and Hadi too!
I agree with redordead that tomorrow will be tougher for our climbers, but I hope their GC positions will help them overperform again, and if it's only by staying in front of avoidable splits early. The KoM climbs might actually be juuust long enough to favor us again if the stage goes well though, but I expect the pace to be high.
About the Coppel et al disaster, obviously it sucks for these teams (I'll likely have Ganna affected in a few years too), but as long as the uphill parts in a TT are ridden below 85 effort, they are effectively mountains and there's no point looking at the hill stat.
I do agree and lament though that the flat part was nowhere near selective enough towards the TTers to make up for the climbing in the slightest, it looks like the first split did too much damage to the energy bars.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 08-01-2020 17:37
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Kinoshita still with a shot at moving up to 4th I think, so while the TT wasn't great, hope is not lost yet.
As for the AI, I was never a fan of moving to PCM18 for this reason and am really not surprised to see so many complaints so far this season from managers. PCM18 has great AI but the stats in the db need to be adjusted to suit the MO/HIL gameplay and there is just no way the MG db will ever fully work with the AI, except with certain former beasts (as seen in this race) becoming much less valuable and all-rounders becoming more valuable.
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 08-01-2020 21:55
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Bibby is doing great, but Kangert is having a very rare disappointing race so far.
About the PCM18 debate:
I agree that because of the MO/HI change some managers will have a bad season through no fault of their own. That's just bad luck and I feel for them.
But I see no problem in the long term. Next season everyone will know exactly how this system works and which stats are important in which type of race. Adapt your transfers and race planning accordingly.
Some riders might have lost significant value overnight, which does suck. But I fully trust the admins to introduce the right OVL algorithm tweaks, which will partly compensate your loss with a lower wage in the long run.
To me having to react to change actually keeps the game fresh.
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| maxime86 |
Posted on 08-01-2020 22:25
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DubbelDekker wrote:
But I see no problem in the long term. Next season everyone will know exactly how this system works and which stats are important in which type of race. Adapt your transfers and race planning accordingly.
Some riders might have lost significant value overnight, which does suck. But I fully trust the admins to introduce the right OVL algorithm tweaks, which will partly compensate your loss with a lower wage in the long run.
To me having to react to change actually keeps the game fresh.
Totally agree it does keep the game fresh, just frustrating cause for example, I felt like i predicted this fall from Coppel which is why I offered him a massive wage cut which he got offended by, the offer would now ~probably~ look like a fine evalution (though I'm definitely biased). But instead I was put into a spot where I'd be losing him for nothing after I'd invested so much $ (1 mil + 3 riders) into buying him the season before so I kinda had to match his price, which then hardcore strapped me in transfers on top of him struggling in races he'd performed so well on in the last PCM we used
feel like it might not the place to talk about all this, but it's not really gonna be compensated in the long run if I'm back in the CT next season (which between Coppel and Vanderbiest being trash is looking super likely, although I guess it might be my fault banking on them for 1 more season of survival). |
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 08-01-2020 22:43
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At least Henao moves in to top 50 after the ITT. That's about the only positive I'll take with me from this race so far |
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| beagle |
Posted on 08-01-2020 23:08
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Interesting race outcome so far, pretty frustrated for some managers relying on pure puncheurs or HI/TT combo riders.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 09-01-2020 05:16
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Are we still in this race? 
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 09-01-2020 08:08
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Race is going as expected really... We're not quite strong enough to really push for any sort of result here, despite good attempts mainly by Laas...
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 09-01-2020 08:12
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Yes guys but the MO/HI combo doesn't justify why Paillot (70 MO / 71 HI) is 5th after 5 hilly stages 
Good victory for Kulczyk. Palini also answering his manager's call with a good result! Congrats guys.
Anonymous race for us, hope Trofimov can find his way up to a final top10 tomorrow.
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| redordead |
Posted on 09-01-2020 08:48
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As predicted not a stage with much fireworks GC wise. Beltran stretched his legs a bit, but hopefully he has recovered for tomorrow. Would be fun to see him attack Gesink if possible, but holding onto 2nd is the priority.
Congrats to Booker on the win
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 09-01-2020 08:48
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At least Waeytens is trying..
I do feel a discussion about PCM18 is needed, but I don't think this is the place.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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