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| doddy13 |
Posted on 10-05-2010 17:09
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Gordon Brown has began formal talks with the Liberal Democrats.
He has also began the Labour leadership election process, a process that he will not stand in. Basically, the Lib Lab coalition is likely.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 10-05-2010 17:18
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doddy13 wrote:
Gordon Brown has began formal talks with the Liberal Democrats.
He has also began the Labour leadership election process, a process that he will not stand in. Basically, the Lib Lab coalition is likely.
As ever, don't take things at face value, and look deeper.
The Lib Dems have been very, very clever. By getting Brown to resign, the Conservatives are going to panic that a Lib-Lab coalition is now very likely.
Therefore, the Tories will make more concessions.
Unless of course, the Lib Dems are idiots, and didn't consider this 
EDIT: Plus, YYYYYAAAAAAYYYYY! BROWN IS GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 10-05-2010 17:23
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Crommy wrote:
Therefore, the Tories will make more concessions.
Not the one the Lib Dems want the most though
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:25
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doddy13 wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Therefore, the Tories will make more concessions.
Not the one the Lib Dems want the most though
You'd be amazed how desperate David Cameron is for power 
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:26
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Crommy wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Therefore, the Tories will make more concessions.
Not the one the Lib Dems want the most though
You'd be amazed how desperate David Cameron is for power
Now, when can I write my mini-essay post about our parliamentary system being treated as a presidential system, when it's not. You don't elect Gordon Brown or David Cameron, you elect an MP and all that lark.
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:28
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Cameron may want power, but the Tory party as a whole will be reluctant to go along with voting reform such as PR
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:31
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Cameron may want power, but the Tory party as a whole will be reluctant to go along with voting reform such as PR
During the Blair years, they were all for it.
Also, The Sun, go read their articles and readers comments for a perfect example on what happens you allow idiots who know 0 about Politics to write articles, and then get chav's to comment on the issues raised.
On the Brown article "The majority of the country rejected labour" - Ahh, but the majority of the country didn't accept Cameron, so in effect we "rejected" everyone. Nobody won.
Welcome to democracy!
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:32
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A Lib-Lab coalition is still unlikely - simply because they don't have enough seats to form the majority. If we go to the Queen's speech with that situation, it'll be bedlam, with the coalition and the Tories both claiming PMship
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:35
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Crommy wrote:
A Lib-Lab coalition is still unlikely - simply because they don't have enough seats to form the majority. If we go to the Queen's speech with that situation, it'll be bedlam, with the coalition and the Tories both claiming PMship
See: https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politic...669883.stm
The Scottish National Party has called on the Liberal Democrats to join a "progressive alliance" involving Labour, the SNP and Plaid Cymru.
SNP leader Alex Salmond urged the Lib Dems to consider the alliance as an alternative to a deal with the Tories.
Senior Liberal Democrats have been meeting to discuss the power-sharing offer issued by the Conservatives.
An arrangement between Labour and the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid Cymru could command a majority in the Commons.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 10-05-2010 17:35
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doddy13 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Cameron may want power, but the Tory party as a whole will be reluctant to go along with voting reform such as PR
During the Blair years, they were all for it.
Also, The Sun, go read their articles and readers comments for a perfect example on what happens you allow idiots who know 0 about Politics to write articles, and then get chav's to comment on the issues raised.
On the Brown article "The majority of the country rejected labour" - Ahh, but the majority of the country didn't accept Cameron, so in effect we "rejected" everyone. Nobody won.
Welcome to democracy!
If we go for the "majority of the country" thing, every party was rejected, as no party got over 50%. Factor in the turnout, and you find the "majority" most certainly don't want any of the parties
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:35
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Crommy wrote:
A Lib-Lab coalition is still unlikely - simply because they don't have enough seats to form the majority. If we go to the Queen's speech with that situation,
it'll be bedlam, with the coalition and the Tories both claiming PMship
The BBC have always said it's only going to be 1 party in Northern Eire. that will side with tories.
Plaid Cymru and SNP will almost certainly side with Labour. I have no idea what the heck is going to happen. Certainly is fascinating though, get Dimbleby back on the box tonight.
EDIT: 8:30pm tonight, Dimbleby is actually back on the Box in a BBC news special called "Who governs Britain?"
Edited by doddy13 on 10-05-2010 17:36
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:37
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doddy13 wrote:
Crommy wrote:
A Lib-Lab coalition is still unlikely - simply because they don't have enough seats to form the majority. If we go to the Queen's speech with that situation,
it'll be bedlam, with the coalition and the Tories both claiming PMship
The BBC have always said it's only going to be 1 party in Northern Eire. that will side with tories.
Plaid Cymru and SNP will almost certainly side with Labour. I have no idea what the heck is going to happen. Certainly is fascinating though, get Dimbleby back on the box tonight.
Unless thats what youre referring to, Dimbleby is back on tonight - half 8
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:37
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Crommy wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Cameron may want power, but the Tory party as a whole will be reluctant to go along with voting reform such as PR
During the Blair years, they were all for it.
Also, The Sun, go read their articles and readers comments for a perfect example on what happens you allow idiots who know 0 about Politics to write articles, and then get chav's to comment on the issues raised.
On the Brown article "The majority of the country rejected labour" - Ahh, but the majority of the country didn't accept Cameron, so in effect we "rejected" everyone. Nobody won.
Welcome to democracy!
If we go for the "majority of the country" thing, every party was rejected, as no party got over 50%. Factor in the turnout, and you find the "majority" most certainly don't want any of the parties
read the last part of my last paragraph
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| Crommy |
Posted on 10-05-2010 17:37
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doddy13 wrote:
Crommy wrote:
A Lib-Lab coalition is still unlikely - simply because they don't have enough seats to form the majority. If we go to the Queen's speech with that situation,
it'll be bedlam, with the coalition and the Tories both claiming PMship
The BBC have always said it's only going to be 1 party in Northern Eire. that will side with tories.
Plaid Cymru and SNP will almost certainly side with Labour. I have no idea what the heck is going to happen. Certainly is fascinating though, get Dimbleby back on the box tonight.
It's still so exciting, isn't it
And yes, get Dimbleby/Paxman to wade through everything, and tell us what's going on. Nobody comes close to those 2.
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:42
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Alastair Campbell praises the PM's decision to stand down, saying it was guided by a "genuine" feeling of duty and desire to steer the country through "this very odd constitutional situation".
The spin doctor still working for his former masters 
Brown left because Lord Mandelson wanted it. Make no doubts about that.
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Posted on 10-05-2010 17:46
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doddy13 wrote:
Plaid Cymru and SNP will almost certainly side with Labour. I have no idea what the heck is going to happen. Certainly is fascinating though, get Dimbleby back on the box tonight.
EDIT: 8:30pm tonight, Dimbleby is actually back on the Box in a BBC news special called "Who governs Britain?"
The SNP are unlikely to work with Labour unless they get something major from it, plus they really don't like Labour
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Posted on 10-05-2010 19:04
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Read Stephen Fry's blog here: https://www.stephenfry.com/2010/05/09/...and-fudge/ for an excellent synopsis of what will probably happen.
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Posted on 10-05-2010 20:46
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Crommy wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Gordon Brown has began formal talks with the Liberal Democrats.
He has also began the Labour leadership election process, a process that he will not stand in. Basically, the Lib Lab coalition is likely.
As ever, don't take things at face value, and look deeper.
The Lib Dems have been very, very clever. By getting Brown to resign, the Conservatives are going to panic that a Lib-Lab coalition is now very likely.
Therefore, the Tories will make more concessions.
Even faster than I thought it would be:
David Cameron has phoned Nick Clegg in the past 25 minutes to set out the Tories' final offer of a referendum on AV, the BBC learns. It's understood there is no deadline to the offer. Lib Dem MPs will meet at 2200 BST for more discussions.
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Posted on 10-05-2010 20:51
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What part of
We don't officially vote for a Prime Minister don't the tories get.
Officially we vote for a MP which in turn will lead to a formation of a government.
So to say "The people voted for Cameron" is wrong.
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Posted on 10-05-2010 20:56
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doddy13 wrote:
What part of
We don't officially vote for a Prime Minister don't the tories get.
Officially we vote for a MP which in turn will lead to a formation of a government.
So to say "The people voted for Cameron" is wrong.
A fact that is widespreadly believed, but not entirely true.
You directly vote for your local MP, yes, but you indirectly vote for the government through their political allegiance.
So you do indirectly vote for the government, and therefore the PM.
Also: ask voters - most will say they voted because of the party of their local MP, not who was the local MP, meaning they voted for the government, not their local MP
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