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New Cycling Game Project
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| T-Photon |
Posted on 06-04-2014 11:59
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@maddox: could be a nice feature but unless we want to extend development with another year or so i dont think we would have the time to do it properly 
it would require U17 teams, rankings etc.
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| stupidmg |
Posted on 06-04-2014 14:19
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when u release the game, can u make sure that it is released at the start of the season, coz it really piss me off when pcm is released during the tdf. it has already been the mid season, just like fifa, 2k, madden, release it when the season begins. can u ensure that?
can u make a feature of press conference like the nba 2k? maybe at the start of a stage race, rest days in the grand tour?? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-04-2014 14:31
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Why?
There's waaaaaay more interest for cycling games around the TdF than between the seasons. It would be stupid to release it in January, there'd be way less buyers then.
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| elmaestro |
Posted on 06-04-2014 19:15
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maybe not January but around this period, now some riders have signed somewhere else before you get the game so you have to update your db after a few months.
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 06-04-2014 19:17
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elmaestro wrote:
maybe not January but around this period, now some riders have signed somewhere else before you get the game so you have to update your db after a few months.
Id be for an early April release 
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 06-04-2014 19:41
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The popularity the Tour de France drives is absolutely incomparable to any other time of the year, guys. Just take a look at how crazy this community gets in July (404 online users at the same time in 2011 TdF end) and how many members are registered in TdF period.
T-Photon wrote:
spend a lot of time on the fitness mechanics lately:, can say for sure that seeing your captain miss his peak for the Tour de France is a very tough experience as a manager 
That is just great to know. One thing I think PCM really misses is a lack of randomness is fitness; there's no trouble whatsoever in always peaking to your main races, whereas in real life it just isn't that simple. And the coaches and tools are even more interesting, knowing that it isn't just a random feature and you can actually try to get a workaround for it
Looking forward to the site opening and more news. Keep the great work up!
(ps.: that thumbnail rocks )
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| T-Photon |
Posted on 06-04-2014 20:04
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lluuiiggii wrote:
The popularity the Tour de France drives is absolutely incomparable to any other time of the year, guys. Just take a look at how crazy this community gets in July (404 online users at the same time in 2011 TdF end) and how many members are registered in TdF period.
T-Photon wrote:
spend a lot of time on the fitness mechanics lately:, can say for sure that seeing your captain miss his peak for the Tour de France is a very tough experience as a manager
That is just great to know. One thing I think PCM really misses is a lack of randomness is fitness; there's no trouble whatsoever in always peaking to your main races, whereas in real life it just isn't that simple. And the coaches and tools are even more interesting, knowing that it isn't just a random feature and you can actually try to get a workaround for it
Looking forward to the site opening and more news. Keep the great work up!
(ps.: that thumbnail rocks )
I actually held these kind of screenshots back for a later date but since we are discussing the fitness aspect i want to share it anyways This screenshot shows multiple attempts at the same fitness schedule
As you can see each attempt varies greatly
In short the goal with the program is to do the famous Giro-Tour double. |
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| Mosquito |
Posted on 16-04-2014 12:00
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Any news on the project?
I am really looking forward to the launch of the website |
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| T-Photon |
Posted on 16-04-2014 12:18
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Mosquito wrote:
Any news on the project?
I am really looking forward to the launch of the website
I am pretty confident we will have more to share on the website and project next week university pushed development to our limits recently but i feel we're getting back on track.
stay tuned.
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 16-04-2014 12:49
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T-Photon wrote:
Mosquito wrote:
Any news on the project?
I am really looking forward to the launch of the website
I am pretty confident we will have more to share on the website and project next week university pushed development to our limits recently but i feel we're getting back on track.
stay tuned.
Quick question.. Are you giving away a free game to those who have been involved in the project and been around supporting it?
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| T-Photon |
Posted on 16-04-2014 13:02
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Jakstar22 wrote:
T-Photon wrote:
Mosquito wrote:
Any news on the project?
I am really looking forward to the launch of the website
I am pretty confident we will have more to share on the website and project next week university pushed development to our limits recently but i feel we're getting back on track.
stay tuned.
Quick question.. Are you giving away a free game to those who have been involved in the project and been around supporting it?
actually i havent explained how it works but it goes something like this. When we launch the kickstarter campaign donations qualify for 1 of 5 tiers like:
Bronze = Beta Key
Silver = Beta Key and discount,
Gold = free game
Platinum = free game + more stuff
Diamond = free game + more and premium content
When you contribute to the project you automaticly earn bronze tier and the more you contribute the higher tier you will earn The rewards are yet to be decided but yes of course you will get the game for free if you help us out with content
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 16-04-2014 13:04
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T-Photon wrote:
Jakstar22 wrote:
T-Photon wrote:
Mosquito wrote:
Any news on the project?
I am really looking forward to the launch of the website
I am pretty confident we will have more to share on the website and project next week university pushed development to our limits recently but i feel we're getting back on track.
stay tuned.
Quick question.. Are you giving away a free game to those who have been involved in the project and been around supporting it?
actually i havent explained how it works but it goes something like this. When we launch the kickstarter campaign donations qualify for 1 of 5 tiers like:
Bronze = Beta Key
Silver = Beta Key and discount,
Gold = free game
Platinum = free game + more stuff
Diamond = free game + more and premium content
When you contribute to the project you automaticly earn bronze tier and the more you contribute the higher tier you will earn The rewards are yet to be decided but yes of course you will get the game for free if you help us out with content
Right well when you need jerseys and stuff done. Just shoot me a Message
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| T-Photon |
Posted on 16-04-2014 13:26
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@Jackstar22: How about interface stuff like maps and icons?
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 16-04-2014 13:29
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T-Photon wrote:
@Jackstar22: How about interface stuff like maps and icons?
Im not sure exactly what you mean. Could you elaborate a little please. Its late and Im a bit confused. haha. What do you mean by icons? Which icons and stuff do you mean?
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| T-Photon |
Posted on 16-04-2014 13:44
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Jakstar22 wrote:
T-Photon wrote:
@Jackstar22: How about interface stuff like maps and icons?
Im not sure exactly what you mean. Could you elaborate a little please. Its late and Im a bit confused. haha. What do you mean by icons? Which icons and stuff do you mean?
It could be like a newspaper icon for the main screen where you click and navigate to the newspaper page. Maps of europe where you can select training camps stuff like that.
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| mathieu69 |
Posted on 16-04-2014 15:25
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Hey, that's seems a really nice project !
You seems to have a really ideas for the managment part of the career
For the 3D part, I think that there is plenty of things to do to differientiate from Cyanide. Personnaly, I don't like the direction they take, especially the way stats work and influence how we can play the game.
As examples, the way hill/mountain works, same as plain/cobble or the fact that secondary stats have less and less influence make the scenario of a race almost irrelevant on who has much chance to win.
My point is that there is, at least, two main strategic aspects in cyclism : first you have to spare your "energy" and second to "create" course situations which are favorable for you so you will use your "energy" more efficiently than your opponent.
The first point is correctly done in the Cyanide game, even if it's not really exciting to play with cursor effort and the way collisions work can be really painful to manage good placement.
The second point, which in my oppinion have much potential to create a nice game experience, is lacking badly.
Here a few examples :
- Climbing at a fast steady pace souldn't be the same than climbing in a irregular way.
- A climb of 10km and a climb of 1km in the same race are totally different efforts and can't use the same hill/mountain ratio as it's currently the case.
- On a cobble race, there is no reason that the cobble stats make a difference on non cobble section (apart from the fact that a bad cooble cyclist will be more tired)
- Endurance influence can't be based only on the lenght of the race, ...
This probably have been done to simplified the game, and give quite realistic results, but at the price of loosing a lot of influence of the strategy on the result. The opposit of that would be to use only physiological stats (VO2 max, lactic threshold, weight ... ) instead of the perfomance stats. This is probably to drastic and to complicated.
I don't pretend I have the perfect answer, but the questions of what is the strategic interest of the 3D part of the game, how to make it really interesting for the player and what level of "easy realism" vs "deep consequences of the player choices" should be assest before starting a DB, as the in race gameplay strongly depends on what are the stats and what do they represent.
I would be very glad to discuss with you of this aspects of the game
Edited by mathieu69 on 16-04-2014 15:49
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 16-04-2014 15:30
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A climb of 10km and a climb of 1km in the same race are totally different efforts and can't use the same hill/mountain ratio as it's currently the case.
- On a cobble race, there is no reason that the cobble stats make a difference on non cobble section (apart from the fact that a bad cooble cyclist will be more tired)
I don't think these 2 are currently the case. A climb of 1km will have more HI ratio than a climb of 10km(which is nearly 100% MO).
And I don't think the cobble stat makes a difference on non-cobbled sections either. It's FL.
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| T-Photon |
Posted on 16-04-2014 15:36
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@mathiwu69; Welcome to the discussion!
the 3D part is currently just ideas and concepts getting thrown around so suggestions like yours are very welcome. I agree that an essential part of a good 3D simulation would be to have stats influence counter play versus specific riders.
A rider like Savoldelli should use downhills to push and attack where contador should be strongest on steep climbs. If done correctly stages should suit riders a lot differently.
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| mathieu69 |
Posted on 16-04-2014 15:38
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@Jesleyh :
You don't think, but it's sadly the true
A race have a global hill/mountain ratio, and every climb in the race use this ratio. If it is 100% hill race, you can have a 10km climb and it will use only the hill stat.
Same for the cobble, on non-cobble portion of Paris-Roubaix, the game will use like 50% flat 50% cobble stats.
Edited by mathieu69 on 16-04-2014 15:40
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 16-04-2014 15:39
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mathieu69 wrote:
You don't think, but it's sadly the true
A race have a global hill/mountain ratio, and every climb in the race use this ratio. If it is 100% hill race, you can have a 10km climb and it will use only the hill stat.
Same for the cobble, on non-cobble portion of Paris-Roubaix, the game will use like 50% flat 50% cobble stats.
Very, very interesting. How can you know this?
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