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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 18:49
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Evans was wailing it the last couple hundred meters, pain written all over his face. Wiggins behind wasn't veen breaking a sweat, just with a plain look on his face as iff the stage were a ride through the park. Somethings up. If you can't see that, take a look at the replay of the closeup.
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Posted on 11-07-2012 18:53
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Evans was wailing it the last couple hundred meters, pain written all over his face. Wiggins behind wasn't veen breaking a sweat, just with a plain look on his face as iff the stage were a ride through the park. Somethings up. If you can't see that, take a look at the replay of the closeup.
I think Richie porte serves as a good enough sample. Last year 81st in the giro.
First year with sky in his first tour:
Rides for kms on end at the top of peloton without breaking a sweat
retakes over a minute on Nibali in a few km
-> Wait What?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-07-2012 18:59
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Stijn I completely agree with your point, just to correct facts as I feel that is important when we're attempting an objective discussion: It's actually his second Tour. He rode last year in support of Contador.
That barely takes anything from your point though, since he was 71st last year
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Posted on 11-07-2012 19:01
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issoisso wrote:
Stijn I completely agree with your point, just to correct facts as I feel that is important when we're attempting an objective discussion: It's actually his second Tour. He rode last year in support of Contador.
That barely takes anything from your point though, since he was 71st last year
That's the reason for his 71'st and 81'st place in Tour and Giro. He was 4th in last year's timetrial. The day he didn't have to work for Contador.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 19:03
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Spilak23 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Stijn I completely agree with your point, just to correct facts as I feel that is important when we're attempting an objective discussion: It's actually his second Tour. He rode last year in support of Contador.
That barely takes anything from your point though, since he was 71st last year
That's the reason for his 71'st and 81'st place in Tour and Giro. He was 4th in last year's timetrial. The day he didn't have to work for Contador.
By the Galibier he didn't much either. Navarro was the mountain goat, not Porte.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-07-2012 19:07
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Spilak23 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Stijn I completely agree with your point, just to correct facts as I feel that is important when we're attempting an objective discussion: It's actually his second Tour. He rode last year in support of Contador.
That barely takes anything from your point though, since he was 71st last year
That's the reason for his 71'st and 81'st place in Tour and Giro. He was 4th in last year's timetrial. The day he didn't have to work for Contador.
Today he finished with a lot of the contenders despite pulling at the front for the longest time. He dropped most of them on the first climb, and still sits 39th on GC despite by his own admission soft-pedalling over a mountain stage and a time trial. On the first mountain stage he dropped a bunch of contenders.
Last year he was dropped very early in every mountain stage, the least he lost in one mountain stage was 12 minutes. Several times he lost 25 minutes or over half an hour.
He still a domestique. What's changed?
Edited by issoisso on 11-07-2012 19:08
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Posted on 11-07-2012 19:11
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He rode the Giro last year. Probably the toughest GT of the last 15 years. Everybody who finished the Giro sucked in the Tour. This year, he focused on the Tour. He is also with a new team, working for someone he probably respects (not possible with Contador who is only respected by Navarro, Hernandez and Noval). This gives him extra motivation. Then, he is now with team Sky, a team known for it's excellent training of riders. ( You can think this is by using forbidden substances, I don't). These are some thing's that have changed.
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Posted on 11-07-2012 19:13
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
I think Richie porte serves as a good enough sample. Last year 81st in the giro.
First year with sky in his first tour:
Rides for kms on end at the top of peloton without breaking a sweat
retakes over a minute on Nibali in a few km
-> Wait What?
I feel the same way. Same goes for Rogers as well.
They have gone from mediocre time trialists to being the best support riders in the mountains. In one year.
Team Sky and their riders keep emphasizing their unique dedication and training practices - but why is it only this select group of riders that show this kind of improvement? How about Löfkvist, Uran, or any other semi-decent Sky rider? The apparently do not gain from the special Sky "training" schedule.
The whole Geert Leinders connection - an expert in altering blood values - just makes the whole thing bizarre to me.
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Posted on 11-07-2012 19:13
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Posted on 11-07-2012 19:14
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Spilak23 wrote:
He rode the Giro last year. Probably the toughest GT of the last 15 years. Everybody who finished the Giro sucked in the Tour. This year, he focused on the Tour. He is also with a new team, working for someone he probably respects (not possible with Contador who is only respected by Navarro, Hernandez and Noval). This gives him extra motivation. Then, he is now with team Sky, a team known for it's excellent training of riders. ( You can think this is by using forbidden substances, I don't). These are some thing's that have changed.
Yes, before navarro did the work. Now he pulls hard for 30 km himself. things changed.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 19:15
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 I love his sense of humor!
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Posted on 11-07-2012 19:16
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I can't really remember Saxo Bank doing any work on mountain stages. Certainly not in the Tour and if I remember right, they always tricked Lampre or Liquigas to do it in the Giro.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 19:17
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baseballlover312 wrote:
I love his sense of humor!
Do you believe he is a shit rider who has come from nowhere?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-07-2012 19:18
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Spilak23 wrote:
He rode the Giro last year. Probably the toughest GT of the last 15 years. Everybody who finished the Giro sucked in the Tour. This year, he focused on the Tour.
This was adressed in the very first post you answered.He rode the Giro and finished where? Right, 81st.
I remember watching my Giro 2011 DVD the other day, specifically the Etna stage, the first mountain stage. I specifically remember Porte getting dropped just as the climb starts. Later, Mickael Chérel gets dropped.....
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You can't possibly justify that as "he was working for Contador"
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He is also with a new team, working for someone he probably respects (not possible with Contador who is only respected by Navarro, Hernandez and Noval).
Most of your arguments are very flawed, but this is just making things up out of thin air. Especially considering with a quick google search I can link to interviews where he talks up his respect for Contador, which he's done several times.
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This gives him extra motivation. Then, he is now with team Sky, a team known for it's excellent training of riders. ( You can think this is by using forbidden substances, I don't). These are some thing's that have changed.
The same tired argument that's been debated before. The same argument that Ferrari clients, Postal riders, Conconi riders, Cecchini riders, Fuentes riders, etc all used to justify their improvements. "It's the training that's so good"
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 19:18
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Spilak23 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I love his sense of humor!
Do you believe he is a shit rider who has come from nowhere?
Well, yes! Obviously. And Froome = him + 1000
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| Tjoertszc |
Posted on 11-07-2012 19:19
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Spilak23 wrote:
He rode the Giro last year. Probably the toughest GT of the last 15 years. Everybody who finished the Giro sucked in the Tour. This year, he focused on the Tour. He is also with a new team, working for someone he probably respects (not possible with Contador who is only respected by Navarro, Hernandez and Noval). This gives him extra motivation. Then, he is now with team Sky, a team known for it's excellent training of riders. ( You can think this is by using forbidden substances, I don't). These are some thing's that have changed.
Four riders?
Wiggins, Froome, Porte, and Rogers. Mediocre riders at best who are crushing the entire pro peleton in the most important race of the year? Every other team and rider is at full preparation for this.
Respect towards his team leader is not going to make such a huge difference. Last year dropping out of the peleton on every slope - this year pacing up to the top of the hardest climbs of the tour. |
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Posted on 11-07-2012 19:21
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"I'm not suspicious, just look at my gold medals. The suspicious one is Froome, cunts!"
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I love his sense of humor!
Do you believe he is a shit rider who has come from nowhere?
Well, yes! Obviously. And Froome = him + 1000
Dude............
Wiggins was a track racer untill 2008. One of the best ever winning multiple gold Olympic medals. After the 2008 Summer Olympics, he started focusing on the road losing a lot of weight and finishing 4th in the Tour de France. He failed in 2010 but still won the Giro prologue. Then last year he rode very strong winning the Dauphine before crashing at the Tour. He finished 3rd in the Vuelta.
So being one of the best track racer's is coming from nowhere?
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Posted on 11-07-2012 19:23
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I love his sense of humor!
Do you believe he is a shit rider who has come from nowhere?
Well, yes! Obviously. And Froome = him + 1000
clearly ignoreing the 2009 4th tdf
2011 paris-nice podium
2011 1st dauphine
2011 3rd vuelta
2011 3rd wc itt
2012 3rd volta aglgarve
2012 1st paris-nice
2012 1st romandie
2012 1st dauphine
apart from these he has come out of nowhere
froome yeah kinda has come out of nowhere, but everyone has to have a breakthrough
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 19:24
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Spilak23 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I love his sense of humor!
Do you believe he is a shit rider who has come from nowhere?
Well, yes! Obviously. And Froome = him + 1000
Dude............
Wiggins was a track racer untill 2008. One of the best ever winning multiple gold Olympic medals. After the 2008 Summer Olympics, he started focusing on the road losing a lot of weight and finishing 4th in the Tour de France. He failed in 2010 but still won the Giro prologue. Then last year he rode very strong winning the Dauphine before crashing at the Tour. He finished 3rd in the Vuelta.
So being one of the best track racer's is coming from nowhere?
Yes! Track and road are nothing alike. he lost tons of weight, which had helped him coming from a track backround in climbing, but doesn't make you world class! And how did his TT improve? He was 4th in the Tour. He was a track rider. Can you tell me about a few summit finishes in track?
Edited by baseballlover312 on 11-07-2012 19:26
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