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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-07-2013 08:36
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jph27 wrote:
Julich? Clean?
I'll make it easy for you:
98: nobody clean.
2013: some clean, but on asthma puffers and everything they can get their hands no legally 
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 24-07-2013 08:42
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Ian Butler wrote:
jph27 wrote:
Julich? Clean?
I'll make it easy for you:
98: nobody clean.
2013: some clean, but on asthma puffers and everything they can get their hands no legally
I think that's about the gist of it. I would say most are now clean, but we are sceptical of many. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 24-07-2013 10:31
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Nobody is clean, at least not in the sense I understand that word.
Some might only take allowed medication but using medication without being ill is cheating as well. I would not consider somebody clean if he is stuffed with everything you can legally buy in pharmacies. |
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| kevtucks |
Posted on 24-07-2013 11:42
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a few more names mentioned here
https://translate....UM_enGB507 |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:03
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Cipo, Tafi, Sacchi, Blijlevens. None of them is remotely surprising.
Ah, TVM, why is it they went on strike already ? (rethorical question) |
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| flyfly |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:10
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Tested positive for EPO du ring 1998 or 1999 tdf Jalabert, Tafi, Zabel, Hamburger, Serrano, Heppner, Blijlevens, Minali, Cipollini, Sacchi, Mazzoleni, Durand, Olano, Desbiens, Pantani, Beltran, Ullrich, Livingston...
Litigious case : Brignoli, Turicchia, Chanteur, Moncassin, Julich,Meier, Calcaterra, Zanini Mazzoleni, Barthe, O'Grady, A. Merckx...
That's not the entier list.
Well this is obvious that almost everyone was on something |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:17
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Sporza has so far these as positive:
Andrea Tafi
Mario Cipollini
Bo Hamburger
Udo Bölts
Marco Pantani
Jan Ullrich
while confirming Tom Steels, Axel Merckx and Bobby Julich did not test positive
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:17
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So much for the "sprinters don't need to dope" argument. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:18
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How the hell is it possible all these guys tested positive and it never had a consequence?  |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:21
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Ian Butler wrote:
How the hell is it possible all these guys tested positive and it never had a consequence?
There was no EPO-test yet back then
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:22
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Oh right. Then how do they know it now? |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:25
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Ollfardh wrote:
Sporza has so far these as positive:
Andrea Tafi
Mario Cipollini
Bo Hamburger
Udo Bölts
Marco Pantani
Jan Ullrich
while confirming Tom Steels, Axel Merckx and Bobby Julich did not test positive
So I wasn't completely wrong
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| roturn |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:26
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Ian Butler wrote:
Oh right. Then how do they know it now?
Testing old, frozen samples with new tests. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:31
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So ASO kept their samples in their deep-freeze? Awesome
Okay, thanks for the update! Curious about that final list! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2013 12:58
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Positive:
Andrea Tafi, Erik Zabel, Bo Hamburger (twice), Laurent Jalabert, Marcos Serrano, Jens Heppner, Jeroen Blijlevens, Nicola Minali, Mario Cipollini, Fabio Sacchi, Eddy Mazzoleni, Jacky Durand, Abraham Olano, Laurent Desbiens, Marco Pantani, Manuel Beltran, Jan Ullrich (twice), Kevin Livingston (twice)
Suspicious:
Ermanno Brignoli, Alain Turicchia, Pascal Chanteur, Frederic Moncassin, Bobby Julich, Roland Meier, Giuseppe Calcaterra, Stefano Zanini, Eddy Mazzoleni, Stephane Barthe, Stuart O'Grady, Axel Merckx
Note that 'suspicious' means they did not fit the moronical requirements to be considered positive by 2004 standards, but they do contain recombinant EPO. So yes, doped.
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2013 13:17
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Jonathan Vaughters' opinion: If all 198 riders had been tested, there would be 100% positives.
(He was a rider in the peloton at the time)
Edited by issoisso on 24-07-2013 13:20
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 24-07-2013 13:20
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issoisso wrote:
Positive:
Andrea Tafi, Erik Zabel, Bo Hamburger (twice), Laurent Jalabert, Marcos Serrano, Jens Heppner, Jeroen Blijlevens, Nicola Minali, Mario Cipollini, Fabio Sacchi, Eddy Mazzoleni, Jacky Durand, Abraham Olano, Laurent Desbiens, Marco Pantani, Manuel Beltran, Jan Ullrich (twice), Kevin Livingston (twice)
Suspicious:
Ermanno Brignoli, Alain Turicchia, Pascal Chanteur, Frederic Moncassin, Bobby Julich, Roland Meier, Giuseppe Calcaterra, Stefano Zanini, Eddy Mazzoleni, Stephane Barthe, Stuart O'Grady, Axel Merckx
Note that 'suspicious' means they did not fit the moronical requirements to be considered positive by 2004 standards, but they do contain recombinant EPO. So yes, doped.
More positives: Bjarne Riis and Rolf Sørensen
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| jph27 |
Posted on 24-07-2013 13:31
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Boardman didn't test positive though?  |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 24-07-2013 13:57
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Today only proves how clean Contador is, and how his beef-story rings true: Contador ate Hamburger.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2013 15:44
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jph27 wrote:
Boardman didn't test positive though?
None of his samples were sufficiently well preserved to be tested.
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
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