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Paris - Nice Discussion
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 26-10-2023 16:37
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Dennis on the right side of the split, Brown on the wrong side. How Hodeg survived the climb is beyond me 
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| SotD |
Posted on 26-10-2023 16:47
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This game is seriously messed up.
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Posted on 26-10-2023 17:11
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Posted on 26-10-2023 17:17
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Krasts <3
Dude is going all out for the KoM and i absolutely love it.
Not a fan of the lack of gaps upfront. Hopefully, the puncheurs can get more out of the remaining hilly stages!
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| cio93 |
Posted on 26-10-2023 19:16
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A somewhat random selection here between the TTers, but I'll take the gap on Mano among others!
Really attentive riding by Ganna and Meiler here so far, the former being in the Top 20 on every stage so far, and it does give me confidence for the rest of the mass start stages as well that our team is taking chasing responsibilities.
To be fair about the lack of puncheur gaps on s3, seeing the climb profile helps contextualize the close field there. PCM exclusively used FL on gradients below 3%, and a ratio between FL and the relevant climbing stat for the effort between 3% and 6% gradient, so on this climb there was at most 1.5km where puncheurs actually had an advantage over rouleurs (which sprinters with a decent flat stat count towards for engine purposes).
I guess we might've gotten fooled by the preview profile due to the stage length of nearly 200km distorting the elevation gain on that uphill finish.
Maybe an option for future seasons is to provide these in-game individual climb profiles for stages that aren't outright suiting a particular type of rider.
Also as a little aside about the sprint issues here with rider blocking, we definitely cannot go to PCM23 if this aspect is considered problematic. While it does bring back multiple sprint trains for favorites, it actually crowds the road with too many trains (up to 6-7 on the same stretch of road) from 15km out already, which makes things an absolute tumble dryer mess in their wake.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 26-10-2023 19:21
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Goddammit. Game uses Aranburu to pace for our sprinter, then lets Kamna fall into the second group on the hills? Who does it think we're going for here, AKA?
Pretty devastating after a great start.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 26-10-2023 22:19
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It was key to be on the right side of that selection and Conci made sure he was which is job done! Going to need a similar sort of result in the other hills stages to stay in distance for the TT.
Good stage and liked the mix of the pure punchers and the sprinters battling it out!
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 26-10-2023 22:54
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Unfortunately have to second this 100%.
One good thing is that a puncheur won this stage, congrats to Binance. Another good one is that Coquard finally got something - even though I really didn't expect to see sprinters up front on what looked like the toughest road stage by the profile.
But as cio said, the profile pics can be misleading - I really miss the old ones where colours gave an idea of the gradients.
What I really hate to see though are those seemingly completely random splits. 64/65 hill riders make it in the front group, 75+ hill riders miss out - on a stage where there were close to no gaps. That's especially awful for Mano, who should have been a Top5-10 contender here, King Power definitely let down by the AI so far this year.
For my team, it was an awful stage in terms of GC ambitions as well. Of course, neither Stüssi nor Masnada are top contenders, but both should easily have made that split. There are no points at stake for me here, so I can live with it - but what worries me far more is that in the second hilly-TT stage race of the year, this happens for the second time - with those being exactly the races with our main focus... Not looking forward to Norway, Denmark or Britain now...
At least Bol gets to wear the leader's jersey one more day, unexpectedly. Given that the sprinters got involved today, I'd have expected him to beat most of those who finished ahead of him on a hilly parcours, but on the other hand he overperformed on the first two days, guess he was due a less lucky day.
Thanks for the report, and congrats to all whose designated GC leader made the front group ^^
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 27-10-2023 00:40
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PCM22, what is wrong with you?
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| redordead |
Posted on 27-10-2023 06:41
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I'll blame the stage not the game for this one. Paris-Nice and other PT races get different stages each year. If it was meant to be puncheur friendly then I guess it failed. Not blaming the calendar team of course, but there was at least a split which didn't happen in Tasmania. The hill stages seemed normal in Hong Kong and the ones in Portugal probably more resemble these ones here. I won't jump the gun and say the game can't handle hills.
For us only Geoghegan Hart made the split which isn't great, I would've thought that even if it was somewhat selective at least Craddock would have made it. But it's also probably too soon to judge things at this point.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 27-10-2023 09:32
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So much for stage 3 being the one where Meintjes might have a shot  It does seem like Izagirre is our best shot here, so it's good that he made it in the front group.
I agree with cio and red that the stage design, more than the game engine, might be what caused the results. The puncheurs tried to win the stage in the steep-ish parts, didn't get it done (other than Sagan and Gidich) and then the sprinters who managed to hang on were involved in the decision as soon as the road was almost flat. With the exception of maybe Banaszek, the sprinters that did particularly well were also the ones with decent hill stats. It's not what we expected from the profile, and I'm not saying it's a perfect result, but it's not an abomination either, imo. Gaps that don't purely reflect stats always happen due to positioning, too.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 27-10-2023 09:51
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I agree with you guys that it might have been the stage profile, but Remco is pretty good on both flats and hills and actually lost time. He might have been waiting for Van der Kooij though, but then that's a game error. Or the game just doesn't seem him strong enough to be a team leader.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 27-10-2023 14:00
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Remco is really waiting for Van der Kooij. Ffs
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 27-10-2023 14:20
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A very similar stage to the previous one. No result for us with Thijssen but the key thing for us is that Conci remained in the first group on the road which gives a buffer against some competitors going into the next stage TT. Going to be a crucial one to determine the GC given that selections haven't been too defined on these types of stages.
Thanks for another great report! Looking forward to an exciting TT!
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 27-10-2023 14:26
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Damn, Izagirre is really riding himself into position for a nice GC result. Not only has the positioning right, but is also strong enough to stay in the main group. That's very encouraging. Thanks for another nice report!
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| knockout |
Posted on 27-10-2023 14:42
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Another day in polkadots is outstanding and with a tt and an almost panflat day upcoming, this should really be worth three more days in polkadots. Love the fighting spirit there
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| cio93 |
Posted on 27-10-2023 14:54
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Ganna looks really promising for a Top 5 result here now.
I hope he'll be on one of his (rare) good days to put enough time into the puncheurs to get some buffer for the penultimate stage alongside the obviously desirable stage points. This could become a vital race for his season.
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 27-10-2023 15:42
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Groves' presence in the front groups prevents us from my initial plan to go for breakaways/KoM A few solid results at least, but that may not lead to many points eventually. Well, to be fair, not really a lineup where we expected many points..
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-10-2023 15:55
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Not thrilled with Kamna completely forfeiting the GC here and finishing minutes behind. Yesterday was bad, but he still could have challenged for a decent placing with a good TT if he wasn't completely oblivious all the time. Tough to see him sit back while guys like Conci stay attentive. Aranburu has been fine, but he's obviously going to lose minutes tomorrow, so that's kind of pointless.
On the other hand, AKA gets another podium and improbably has the leader's jersey again going into the TT. Points jersey is a really possibility now too, with the three way tie for first. So we're getting some scoring from this race, even if it's not exactly how we envisioned it.
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| redordead |
Posted on 27-10-2023 16:08
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TGH makes the split, but again he's the only one. Not sure if I'll get the depth scoring needed to make this a successful race.
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