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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 25-07-2015 01:01
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Dee-Jay wrote:
A lot of people have said that Froome has risen from nowhere, but if you were going to choose a rider to dope into a world beating superstar, wouldnt you choose one of the successful British track riders (as well as Wiggins) and not some half baked African kid with a mediocre palmares? Surely that would make for a more plausible champion.
So, are you telling me Froome doesn't dope because it would be too obvious that he dopes?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 25-07-2015 01:03
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Dee-Jay wrote:
A lot of people have said that Froome has risen from nowhere, but if you were going to choose a rider to dope into a world beating superstar, wouldnt you choose one of the successful British track riders (as well as Wiggins) and not some half baked African kid with a mediocre palmares? Surely that would make for a more plausible champion.
I think it's speculated that Froome doped on is own first, because nobody wanted some half baked African kid, and he had no contract for 2012.
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| Movistar |
Posted on 25-07-2015 01:53
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Dee-Jay wrote:
A lot of people have said that Froome has risen from nowhere, but if you were going to choose a rider to dope into a world beating superstar, wouldnt you choose one of the successful British track riders (as well as Wiggins) and not some half baked African kid with a mediocre palmares? Surely that would make for a more plausible champion.
Read up on Bilharzia and red blood cell counts. I continue to say this is the smoking gun.
Oh and as said above, he pulled a Horner in the Vuelta. It was a pretty obvious dope job that only went under the radar because and even more obvious dope job won the race.
I would actually imagine he would have been ran out of the sport for doping if it wasnt for Cobo winning that race and having all the doping attention on him. |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 25-07-2015 04:28
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If anyone wants to see how delusional these Froome fans can be. Take a look at this thread of a guy I am talking to on Reddit.
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| casanovar |
Posted on 25-07-2015 05:13
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En mi opinión, como seguidor y corredor desde hace más de 20 años, el conjunto Sky y su lider Chris Froome, tienen un rendimiento fuera de lo normal. Aún asà como son más malos que la leche, ya en esta etapa 19, ya se les ha visto flojear. Es lo que tiene no ser de paises tradicionalmente ciclistas como España, Italia o Francia, dónde las montañas son accidentes naturales, cosa que no ocurre en el Reino Unido de la Reina Madre. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 25-07-2015 05:21
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casanovar wrote:
En mi opinión, como seguidor y corredor desde hace más de 20 años, el conjunto Sky y su lider Chris Froome, tienen un rendimiento fuera de lo normal. Aún asà como son más malos que la leche, ya en esta etapa 19, ya se les ha visto flojear. Es lo que tiene no ser de paises tradicionalmente ciclistas como España, Italia o Francia, dónde las montañas son accidentes naturales, cosa que no ocurre en el Reino Unido de la Reina Madre.
Can Marsi translate please?
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| Strydz |
Posted on 25-07-2015 06:25
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Movistar wrote:
Dee-Jay wrote:
A lot of people have said that Froome has risen from nowhere, but if you were going to choose a rider to dope into a world beating superstar, wouldnt you choose one of the successful British track riders (as well as Wiggins) and not some half baked African kid with a mediocre palmares? Surely that would make for a more plausible champion.
Read up on Bilharzia and red blood cell counts. I continue to say this is the smoking gun.
Oh and as said above, he pulled a Horner in the Vuelta. It was a pretty obvious dope job that only went under the radar because and even more obvious dope job won the race.
I would actually imagine he would have been ran out of the sport for doping if it wasnt for Cobo winning that race and having all the doping attention on him.
Oh god he really was RoboCobo in that Vuelta, that was one crazy race and a true homage to old school doping..... Actually you could really say that about any Vuelta 
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 25-07-2015 09:24
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Dee-Jay wrote:
A lot of people have said that Froome has risen from nowhere, but if you were going to choose a rider to dope into a world beating superstar, wouldnt you choose one of the successful British track riders (as well as Wiggins) and not some half baked African kid with a mediocre palmares? Surely that would make for a more plausible champion.
I think it's speculated that Froome doped on is own first, because nobody wanted some half baked African kid, and he had no contract for 2012.
So is it the theory that Froome doped to get noticed but Sky are also doping so he kind of got accepted? Or is it that he doped himself and Sky are clean but simply didnt notice, despite their masses of tests and Brailsford is showing blind faith to a cheat in his ranks? I refuse to accept the latter.
So then we're saying that Sky are an organisation with a doping policy. So there are too many big questions raised here, including:
- Why have they had only mild success in races outside the TdF despite targeting them? Particularly the abject failure of the Wiggins and Porte attempts at the Giro and also the Wiggins/Froome defeats at the Vuelta. Not to mention the likes of the classics.
- What on Earth are Sky doing to sidestep doping controls? Why have other teams with equally massive budgets been unable to do the same (unless of course the other guys are working clean).
- A dirty Sky means a doping Brailsford, and that means the whole of British cycling for the last 10 years or so. So all the olympic successes too. Too big a lie to keep under wraps. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 25-07-2015 09:38
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What are you on?
1. Sky didn't have success outside the TdF? Check the winners of Paris Nice, Romandie and Dauphine since 2012.
So, in your eyes, just because they don't dominate all the races they are in, they must be clean.
2. This is US Postal all over again.
3. Lol, what?
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 25-07-2015 09:48
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Very rarely anyone before won both Dauphine and TdF in the same season.
Then comes Sky and does it with Wiggins in 2012 and Froome 2013 and this year.
They're on form pretty much every stage race they enter. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 25-07-2015 09:50
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Dee-Jay wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Dee-Jay wrote:
A lot of people have said that Froome has risen from nowhere, but if you were going to choose a rider to dope into a world beating superstar, wouldnt you choose one of the successful British track riders (as well as Wiggins) and not some half baked African kid with a mediocre palmares? Surely that would make for a more plausible champion.
I think it's speculated that Froome doped on is own first, because nobody wanted some half baked African kid, and he had no contract for 2012.
So is it the theory that Froome doped to get noticed but Sky are also doping so he kind of got accepted? Or is it that he doped himself and Sky are clean but simply didnt notice, despite their masses of tests and Brailsford is showing blind faith to a cheat in his ranks? I refuse to accept the latter.
So then we're saying that Sky are an organisation with a doping policy. So there are too many big questions raised here, including:
- Why have they had only mild success in races outside the TdF despite targeting them? Particularly the abject failure of the Wiggins and Porte attempts at the Giro and also the Wiggins/Froome defeats at the Vuelta. Not to mention the likes of the classics.
- What on Earth are Sky doing to sidestep doping controls? Why have other teams with equally massive budgets been unable to do the same (unless of course the other guys are working clean).
- A dirty Sky means a doping Brailsford, and that means the whole of British cycling for the last 10 years or so. So all the olympic successes too. Too big a lie to keep under wraps.
Well yes the British track team would be doping, Track racing as a whole isn't clean. Sky aren't the only squad side stepping doping controls, others are aswell and the reason we don't see more positives is multil layered, the funding to anti doping simply isn't enough, the bio-passport has given people parameters to work within especially with micro dosing, the UCI as a whole isn't to keen for a string of positives as its not good for business.
Also Sky haven't been dominating the other GT's but have been doing very well across the 1 week and other stage races. This year they have Paris-Nice, Dauphine, Catalunya, Trentino, Algarve, Ruta Del Sol and soon the TDF.
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 25-07-2015 10:02
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Dee-Jay wrote:
So is it the theory that Froome doped to get noticed but Sky are also doping so he kind of got accepted? Or is it that he doped himself and Sky are clean but simply didnt notice, despite their masses of tests and Brailsford is showing blind faith to a cheat in his ranks? I refuse to accept the latter.
So then we're saying that Sky are an organisation with a doping policy. So there are too many big questions raised here, including:
- Why have they had only mild success in races outside the TdF despite targeting them? Particularly the abject failure of the Wiggins and Porte attempts at the Giro and also the Wiggins/Froome defeats at the Vuelta. Not to mention the likes of the classics.
Why should they dope outside of the Tour. It's the only race they care for as it's the biggest one and these are the only results that matter for them. Plus that mild results is a strong word. All the stage races Froome takes part in he's a potential winner so as not to have big wonders about him doping by sharp differences in shape.
- What on Earth are Sky doing to sidestep doping controls? Why have other teams with equally massive budgets been unable to do the same (unless of course the other guys are working clean).
Ask the UCI about that. Since all the accidents with Froome they haven't even checked him. They tried once, but somehow accidentaly the hotel didn't allow them access to Sky and they never tried again afterwards...
- A dirty Sky means a doping Brailsford, and that means the whole of British cycling for the last 10 years or so. So all the olympic successes too. Too big a lie to keep under wraps.
Why should they dope in other races. The commercial they get from the Tour is much bigger than if they dope all their track and road riders. It's much easier and not drawing too much unwanted attention. As you see their tactics work perfectly for manipulating people who are too naive to think a little as a criminal mind. |
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| Dee-Jay |
Posted on 25-07-2015 10:26
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Thank you to those who are making measured responses, rather than simply saying OMG YOU SAID WHAT???
Old school cycling was followed by effective heavy doping cycling. But that has subsided and what remains is still viable for performance enhancing but is less effective and still carries a significant risk of detection. The rise of Sky has coincided with the fall of heavy duty use of EPO and related drugs. So is it not too bizarre to believe that once you take the big dopers out, the real talent can shine through?
Its too easy to believe what you want to believe rather than the truth (we're all guilty of it) and I think that the Froome doping inquiry is driven by a hatred of him or Sky rather than an objective quest for clean racing. |
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 25-07-2015 11:55
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Dee-Jay wrote:
Its too easy to believe what you want to believe rather than the truth (we're all guilty of it) and I think that the Froome doping inquiry is driven by a hatred of him or Sky rather than an objective quest for clean racing.
I actually have very objective doubts of his cleanliness. First of all how he suddenly became 2nd at 2011 Vuelta when I never heard of him until then. Secondly, I browsed him in Wikipedia back then and saw how he was a complete nobody and had surprisingly become so good after an illness. I thought it was just surprise show of talent then and he would turn out to be an one-day miracle. When he carried on in 2012 I started doubting him more seriously but still thought he would never be on the same level of Contador, Purito, Valverde, etc. When he destroyed them in 2013 with watt outputs on Ax 3 Domains matching Lance's I knew something was wrong. A man can't suddenly become the best at 27 without showing any potential before that. Moreover, when asked about his wattage then he claimed he can match Armstrong and Ulrich without doping.... Yeah, sure.... Not speeds so that it has anything with technology, but watt output... And when we what Sky have done this year which I won't write again as it's already above, I just can't believe them, not until they post officially Froome's, Porte's and some others' blood passports. Nothing more. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 25-07-2015 12:00
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‘You don’t do that to the race leader, it’s not sportsmanlike’
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 25-07-2015 12:08
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Exactly. Say After that that Froome is a nice guy and also didn't deserve to be attacked. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 25-07-2015 12:09
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This is gold
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Posted on 25-07-2015 17:19
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This thread is a even worst than what the people have done to froome today, you guys have to grow up, he is not a doper, he is simply the best cyclist, because he works harder than the others, because he as the best climbing team (They rest yesterday, but today they were amazing for chris), marginal gains also work, sky works hard with everyone, they are simply very organized, they use toons of technology to save riders energy has the Dogma KS-8, all that counts a little, froome came from nothing to the best cyclist, by working hard, if he was a doper as you guys said he is why did he struggles on the 3rd week (maybe because he was already in good form in dauphine),
if he is a doper why everytime he crashes he comes down so easy, Team Sky shows the real data of froome and there are no anomalies, he made only one attack and to be honest i think everyone was having a bad day on Stage 10, and he wasn't, he deserves this tour he was very regular all the third weeks.
About Richie doping that guy only worked hard 2 days (Stage 10, Stage 20), the other days he was resting so thats not normal???
Nairo was impressive today they could win this tour if movistar had better tactics.
Nibali was shame was happened to him on the start, but that's not his fault, the guys who are responsible for that are the public and the haters, people like that should be banned from cycling, how could someone wish froome death, or something like that.
Valverde i didn't like him on the early stages because he keeps fighting against contador (I don't like that attitude), but like him i think he is a great rider today worked amazing, and secures his 3rd place as well, really good year so far.
One more thing sky has a lot of sponsor interest on italy so why didn't konig made podium on Giro if the people says Team Sky's bunch of dopers, one thing to say people have grow up, doping it's not on team sky for sure, maybe Astana they are the ones who almost lost their license on UCI, because of doping, and nobody speaks about that (look at the facts).
I love cycling and i hate doping, i'm 100% guaranteed for sure Sky and Froomey are clean.
Hope to see these at La Vuelta, if Froome goes there he might do podium if shows the same strength as last year.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 25-07-2015 17:21
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Posted on 25-07-2015 17:22
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I just noticed... Is this the topic with the most views in the all of the history of PCM.Daily? |
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