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Alberto Contador Positive
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-10-2010 15:12
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No info about that either. Would be pretty awesome, though. |
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 14-10-2010 15:26
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AP reported a few hours ago that Contador isn't attending the presentation of the 2011 TdF route due to the preliminary suspension, but its reasonable to assume that ASO wouldn't want him there at the moment! |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-10-2010 15:40
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That's understandable, Petacchi isn't attending either. They'd be the focus of the event, rather than the route and the presentation and that stuff. |
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 14-10-2010 17:11
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So a two year penalty for Contador or am i to optimist yet? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-10-2010 17:40
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We'll see. No one knows yet. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-10-2010 21:46
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UCI's PR-guy Enrico Carponi says that UCI may announce its decision next week. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-10-2010 21:57
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I thought UCI's decision was to let the RFEC decide? |
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| misar82 |
Posted on 15-10-2010 22:18
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The german federation has just decided that Otcharov, a table-tennis player who was positive with clembuterol, was a case of food poisoning. They reached that conclusion because the amount was very small and analysis of his hair didn´t show any traces of the use of clembuterol for long periods (which is the only way the substance can have enhancing effects).
Also, other voices, scientists and also some ex-AMA member, are suggesting to change the norm and establish a minimum amount to be considered doping - due to the high accuracy of the existing techniques to detect the substance, coupled with the possibility of clembuterol being present in water or food.
Finally, the AMA itself has stated that the presence of plastifiers does not constitute doping.
I know all this won´t make any difference for those who already reached a veredict and think that it would be "awesome" if the guy was banned, but I'm sure there are others here who are not that bloodthirsty  |
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| roturn |
Posted on 15-10-2010 22:28
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I am not the biggest fan of this decision even if I believe him more than Contador. This makes too much room for future excuses after a positive.
But there was one very big difference:
- Contador had a positive after eating Spanish meat.
- Ovtcharov had a positive after being in China eating meat there during a cup
In comparison to Spain it is a fact that the amount of clenbuterol meat in China is quite high, so more possible in his case.
But still hard to get the truth. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-10-2010 22:36
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misar82 wrote:
The german federation has just decided that Otcharov, a table-tennis player who was positive with clembuterol, was a case of food poisoning. They reached that conclusion because the amount was very small and analysis of his hair didn´t show any traces of the use of clembuterol for long periods (which is the only way the substance can have enhancing effects).
Also, other voices, scientists and also some ex-AMA member, are suggesting to change the norm and establish a minimum amount to be considered doping - due to the high accuracy of the existing techniques to detect the substance, coupled with the possibility of clembuterol being present in water or food.
Finally, the AMA itself has stated that the presence of plastifiers does not constitute doping.
I know all this won´t make any difference for those who already reached a veredict and think that it would be "awesome" if the guy was banned, but I'm sure there are others here who are not that bloodthirsty Honestly, do you think Contador didn't use clenbuterol purposedly, and that he doesn't transfuse his blood to enhance his performances ?  |
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| misar82 |
Posted on 15-10-2010 22:39
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Aquarius wrote:
misar82 wrote:
The german federation has just decided that Otcharov, a table-tennis player who was positive with clembuterol, was a case of food poisoning. They reached that conclusion because the amount was very small and analysis of his hair didn´t show any traces of the use of clembuterol for long periods (which is the only way the substance can have enhancing effects).
Also, other voices, scientists and also some ex-AMA member, are suggesting to change the norm and establish a minimum amount to be considered doping - due to the high accuracy of the existing techniques to detect the substance, coupled with the possibility of clembuterol being present in water or food.
Finally, the AMA itself has stated that the presence of plastifiers does not constitute doping.
I know all this won´t make any difference for those who already reached a veredict and think that it would be "awesome" if the guy was banned, but I'm sure there are others here who are not that bloodthirsty Honestly, do you think Contador didn't use clenbuterol purposedly, and that he doesn't transfuse his blood to enhance his performances ?
Of course, that is a possible explanation - but then again it is also hard to believe that a champion that goes under 200 tests a year, risks his reputation and career by using a substance that needs to be consumed for weeks before having any effects whatsoever in his performance - so take your pick |
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| roturn |
Posted on 15-10-2010 22:43
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1. It has positive effects
2. During a training camp it`s harder to control him and it doesn`t take so long to make it invisible, especially that just 4 labors are able to detect these small amounts
3. It`s a open secret that some guys in labors are corrupt.
Holczer was asked by a guy if they want to work together a few years ago, He denied but this shows that the opportunity is there. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-10-2010 23:32
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roturn wrote:
1. It has positive effects
2. During a training camp it`s harder to control him and it doesn`t take so long to make it invisible, especially that just 4 labors are able to detect these small amounts
3. It`s a open secret that some guys in labors are corrupt.
Holczer was asked by a guy if they want to work together a few years ago, He denied but this shows that the opportunity is there. According to Bernhard Kohl, and maybe other people too, cyclists, or their medical staff, or anyone helping them to dope (I'm not especially pointing at Contador here) also know how accurate are labs testing, how much are the thresholds for positivity, so, basically, they know how much dope they can afford using without risking to get busted.
Apparently Köln's lab got a much more accurate process for clenbuterol testing lately. Contador and his staff were probably not aware of that (no matter that he doped or that he ate contaminated meat).
Supposedly according to one of Contador's team mates, people who transfuse their own blood (I'm not saying Contador does) now use 150 ml bags instead of 450 or 500 ml a few years ago. A bigger amount would be too obvious on the blood passport. Too many variations...
As a normal human being has about 6 litres of blood, and if mathematics serve, 150 ml is... 40 times less than 6,0 litres ? 40 ? That's about as much less as the former threshold for detection. Funny, eh ?
Now, I don't mean that Contador didn't eat meat or that he transfused his blood or anything. I'm just pointing out a mathematical coincidence. |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 16-10-2010 11:48
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misar82 wrote:
The german federation has just decided that Otcharov, a table-tennis player who was positive with clembuterol, was a case of food poisoning. They reached that conclusion because the amount was very small and analysis of his hair didn´t show any traces of the use of clembuterol for long periods (which is the only way the substance can have enhancing effects).
Also, other voices, scientists and also some ex-AMA member, are suggesting to change the norm and establish a minimum amount to be considered doping - due to the high accuracy of the existing techniques to detect the substance, coupled with the possibility of clembuterol being present in water or food.
Finally, the AMA itself has stated that the presence of plastifiers does not constitute doping.
I know all this won´t make any difference for those who already reached a veredict and think that it would be "awesome" if the guy was banned, but I'm sure there are others here who are not that bloodthirsty
It was not only Ovtcharov who had clenbuterol in his blood, but also some other people being in China with him.
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| roturn |
Posted on 16-10-2010 12:05
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Indeed. And not just other players. Also staff members eating with the team had it. So they probably don`t have to dope  |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 16-10-2010 13:19
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Eh, Contador wasn't the only one who ate that steak, so other people sure got contamined too. What, no one of them was tested then? What unfortunate coincidence... |
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 19-10-2010 20:21
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-p...tador-case
“We don’t treat him differently than the others, but let’s be honest, the fact that it was Alberto Contador means that we have to be certain we take the right decision.”
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| kumazan |
Posted on 19-10-2010 20:34
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"We're corrupt, but it's okay, isn't it?" |
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| Johan92 |
Posted on 19-10-2010 20:44
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I'm glad to hear this.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-10-2010 20:48
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He's just bitter.
I would be too, if I looked like this.
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