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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 13-01-2013 09:53
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Aquarius wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
I don't know why everyone is against that many mountain finishes. At least it's a grand tour where the climbers get what they want without pedaling 100km against the time, alone. Last year's Vuelta was one of the greatest races I've seen, without a doubt.
Can't wait for another epic battle like that, and I'd take those mountain stages over the dominating TT by Sky any day.
100 km over 3500 (maybe less in Spain, right)...
Following your logic, a Grand Tour should be awarded to a climber ?
I'm not saying climbers shouldn't win, but a course should be rather balanced to give both type of leaders a chance.
Well, of course, that's strictly personal. But, yes, I love seeing climbers win grand tours. Climbing is what it's all about for me (for the GC), but again, that's personal. Not that the others don't deserve it, but non-TTist almost don't get a chance these days, that's too bad. For example Schleck, I know there's a lot to be said about him and his morals and blabla, but he has talent and the guy can climb, he should've won a GT already (the real way, not getting it years later because of a steak) |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-01-2013 10:01
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I see it quite the opposite way. Why should a guy who can only climb and cannot do absolutely anything else win a Grand Tour?
Ian, the guys you call "Time triallists" actually are some of the world's elite climbers, but at the same time can time trial. They are brilliant athletes.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 13-01-2013 10:04
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I realize that. But then again, you call climbing and time trialing complete? Okay, why not add cobbled stages? If you want a complete rider, you should have all aspects, then. And like I said, I'll never complain if Contador or Nibali or Froome wins a GT, but guys like Schleck should be given at least a chance. The real battle should be in the mountains, not against the clock. |
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| Daggen |
Posted on 13-01-2013 10:11
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I'm not so sure that I agree with you Ian. Of course most of the battle should be in the mountains but I think it's quite good with time trials. If you don't have any time trials the athletes can focus on only mountain training and anyone who is light enough can win a tour. I think it's good that they're there but they should not be a big part of the race |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 13-01-2013 10:12
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Ian Butler wrote:
I realize that. But then again, you call climbing and time trialing complete? Okay, why not add cobbled stages? If you want a complete rider, you should have all aspects, then. And like I said, I'll never complain if Contador or Nibali or Froome wins a GT, but guys like Schleck should be given at least a chance. The real battle should be in the mountains, not against the clock.
There is a cobbled stage in the Tour every 3 or 4 years. There is a stage over the 'white roads' in the Giro now almost every year. The GT's last couple of years almost all had only one long timetrial. Last year's Tour had 2 but that is not much. I still remember that in the early 2000's, every Tour had 2 long timetrials. Winning GT's is about two things (mainly): Climbing and Timetrialing. If Schleck wants to win a GT, he either has to train his TT skills or attack more in the mountains. Not hope for less TT kilometres.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 13-01-2013 10:15
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I thought RSNT and Movistar were set on to produce worst national kits. But Cannondale took up the level to them it seems...
Edited by Alakagom on 13-01-2013 10:15
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 13-01-2013 10:20
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I actually like it. Both the normal kit and Sagan's jersey.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 13-01-2013 10:23
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I like the normal kit, although the strips looks like Estonia flag...
But the national kit is just meh..
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 13-01-2013 10:40
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I like both jerseys too. Although the flag resembles Serbia instead of Slovakia. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 13-01-2013 11:09
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I don't like any of Cannondale jersey's. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 13-01-2013 12:24
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Ian Butler wrote:
I realize that. But then again, you call climbing and time trialing complete? Okay, why not add cobbled stages? If you want a complete rider, you should have all aspects, then. And like I said, I'll never complain if Contador or Nibali or Froome wins a GT, but guys like Schleck should be given at least a chance. The real battle should be in the mountains, not against the clock.
They have a chance. When there's enough TT kms in a GT, which lately is very rarely, they just have to be dominant enough in the mountains to overcome their losses in the TTs. If they don't, they didn't deserve it, plain and simple.
In Schleck II's case, he did win a TdF with low TT kms, then had another chance in 2011 with a ridiculous amount of TT kms (and hilly) and screwed up, and now has another chance with only ~60 TT kms, 30 of them extremely hilly. That not to mention that he could ride Giro or Vuelta, which have had even less TT kms in the last years. The fact that a guy like Purito, who now has seemingly improved, but was terrible up to last year, could contend GTs, and not exactly with exhibitions in the mountains, speak volumes.
And lol wtf Sagan's jersey. When will he get a decent national champion jersey?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 14-01-2013 06:30
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Th Cannondale kit is cool, well Sagan's jersey is a bit more awful though. But they should be easy to spot in the peloton at least.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 14-01-2013 09:04
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I am sure the Cannondale jersey will eventually grow on us all  |
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 14-01-2013 09:12
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I kinda like the Cannondale jersey, too. The regular and the NC one. Do they have another national champion?
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 14-01-2013 14:53
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Mark Cavendish's new Specialized bike
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| PCM rulezz |
Posted on 14-01-2013 14:57
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Is it just me or do the wheels really look that big on that bike?
But I hope he can win a lot of races and the green jersey on that bike.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 14-01-2013 15:33
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Kireynka another rider set to ride Giro.
Spoiler So far confirmed :
- Wiggins
- Henao ( 90% )
- Dombrowski
- Lopez
- Kireynka
You'd expect Cataldo as well obviously, but not mentioned anywhere yet.
Schedule :
Tour of Oman
Paris-Nice
Volta a Catalunya
Giro del Trentino
Giro d'Italia.
Edited by Alakagom on 14-01-2013 15:34
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| Wilier |
Posted on 14-01-2013 16:49
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cunego59 wrote:
I kinda like the Cannondale jersey, too. The regular and the NC one. Do they have another national champion?
Bodnar is Polish TT Champion. |
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| knasen |
Posted on 14-01-2013 17:51
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IAM Cycling jersey. When I first saw the jersey, my mind did think of the US Postal jersey.
Edited by knasen on 14-01-2013 17:51
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-01-2013 18:50
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Pretty decent, looks quite professional, I like it! |
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