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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-05-2014 09:15
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Oh well, I didn't mean to go personal against somebody I don't know (I don't know anyone here, so to say, but Ewan Wilson is somebody I really don't know).
I was mocking the statement though, because it uses two or three arguments that don't make sense, are lame or/and just totally flawed, and pretends to come with an incontestable conclusion that is so obviously wrong. That was a bit too much for a point-by-point answer. I thought that having a laugh or a smile was just as appropriate.
If one would bother reading the whole thread, or just the message you could find in cunego59's statement, and have some common sense, you should admit there's reasonable doubts over Sky's integrity, and that it might be wise to not jump to a conclusion like "SKY ARE NOT DOPED, END OF STORY".
And thanks bbl for bringing some truth about my age in this discussion.  |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 05-05-2014 09:32
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But, do you really think that someone's going to read 130+ pages, Avin? Why not just linking him the lluuiiiggii's post, which sums up the Sky's situation perfectly, indstead of facepalming? I understand that all of us are bored of these guys and situations (with all respect to these guys), but it's just obvious that he's here for a short time and has no idea what he's talking about, but just fan-boying around.
That was my point, but Ewan (probably) read what lluuiiggii wrote there and he (hopefully) got an unbiased opinon about all of this, now. 
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 05-05-2014 09:54
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Aquarius wrote:
And thanks bbl for bringing some truth about my age in this discussion.
Give Aquarius a break - he's so old and has been around here so long and responded to these arguments so many times that he should be allowed to be a bit blunt once in a while 
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 05-05-2014 10:03
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Without any hard evidence, there isn't any point in even discussing whether a person or team is doping or not.... |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 05-05-2014 10:16
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How can someone feel "offended" with Aquarius's reply? What are you? 7 year old kids? Take it easy.... |
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 05-05-2014 10:21
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I must say.
I found Aquarius's post rather amusing
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 05-05-2014 10:33
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wogsrus wrote:
Without any hard evidence, there isn't any point in even discussing whether a person or team is doping or not....
If there was hard evidence there wouldn't be any point discussing it....
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 05-05-2014 17:16
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atlanta wrote:
Cunego i think you will find i did not say Froome is clean I was saying it is very hypocritcial to support a doper and hate one at same time. And Shonak Froome attacks when he is not on form to so you cant say its easy when your the best. Did you watch Catalunya this year Froome attacked after they bought Fuglsang back, also im sure you remember Froome blowing himself up in La Vuelta.
Aah that's why everyone hates him... not only is he a cyclist but a terrorist too 
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| atlanta |
Posted on 05-05-2014 17:48
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@Shonak
Lets just agree to disagree you must have missed La Vuelta though as Froome was spent in the final week and a half he was gone after stage 8 or 9 really. He attacked them when the pace slowed down and showed heart he was weak yet attacked them and blew himself up in the process. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 05-05-2014 18:01
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I find it quite amusing that this thread is still kicking, for the most part arguments on one side if this are just a pie of S%#T!
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| Cobbs96 |
Posted on 05-05-2014 18:09
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I don't know too much on the topic of Doping but im pretty sure the majority are using something to enhance their performance personally I think that the big teams such as sky movistar and saxo tinkoff etc are on a level playing field in terms of banned substances the likes of europcar and fdj are at a disadvantage
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-05-2014 18:19
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A level playing field is an illusion, but it was already the argument in the 90's.
Like for drugs, medicines, training, etc., every one reacts differently to external factors.
It's hard to tell who's on what, it's merely guessing, and probably not all the riders. As you can see with Sky, only the guys who're part of their mountain train have had major improvements after joining the team, the others have pretty much remained at their former level.
It must be said there's also dodgy doctors who're still active, sometimes despite being banned, and who'll heal, erm dope or help dope riders from different teams but with a common goal (TDF GC for example). See Operacion Puerto for example, Ullrich and Basso got busted, or the clients of Ferrari (even in the post-Armstrong era).
As for Europcar, they went a bit heavy on the corticoids side in 2011 and got blamed for it, they're quieter now, but I wouldn't put a blind faith in a team that once signed Joseba Beloki.
Now on a scale from 0 (not doped) to 10 (heavy doping with EPO, blood transfusions, etc.), corticoids are worth a 2 or a 3. |
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| Elch |
Posted on 05-05-2014 19:30
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Strydz wrote:
[...] for the most part arguments on one side if this are just a pie of S%#T!
And this is the first point in the entire thread, that both sides will agree upon.  |
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| Martial1 |
Posted on 05-05-2014 23:48
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I think that Sky are doped.
That being said, the atmosphere on Daily is that it's OK to think Sky is doped and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot who hasn't done their research. Sure, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence against Sky, but there is no sure proof, like wackojacko said. Because of that, we can't call people idiots just because they think differently than the majority. If we want to have a real discussion about Sky's doping, then we have to try to understand both sides of the argument and not immediately shun the person who thinks Sky is clean. Just my two cents. |
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| Cossack |
Posted on 06-05-2014 05:18
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I think the problem is that those who defend Sky don't provide us with any evidence, just this usual "we train harder, marginal gains" etc etc Brailsford's bullshit.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-05-2014 05:51
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Yeah, but to be fair, it's harder to prove that they don't dope, I suppose.
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| atlanta |
Posted on 06-05-2014 07:20
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Exactly come on Mr fortune teller Colsack prove it. No doubt we will here the well Armstrong dint fail. I think Froome would have had an issue by now their as not been one sample we hear that is even questionable so you keep holding onto your dream he will oneday fail and then you will have the last laugh. |
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| atlanta |
Posted on 06-05-2014 07:23
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Cossack i meant. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-05-2014 08:07
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 06-05-2014 08:50
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atlanta wrote:
Exactly come on Mr fortune teller Colsack prove it. No doubt we will here the well Armstrong dint fail. I think Froome would have had an issue by now their as not been one sample we hear that is even questionable so you keep holding onto your dream he will oneday fail and then you will have the last laugh. True, Armstrong had dodgy sample in 1999, then in 2001, in 2005 again (but 1999 ones).
Let's pick another example : Virenque. Busted for drugs, used them before and after the Festina affair, before and after his suspension. He has a record of... 0 positive test, which is no more than Froome. |
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