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| jacknic |
Posted on 05-10-2010 16:18
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Some Danish scientist pointed out that riders are often given IV liquids between stages which are from the same type of plastic bag as the blood bags. I guess it's a valid point.
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| Talleyrand |
Posted on 05-10-2010 16:33
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Galette-saucisse 
Maybe Mr. Cleanbuterol had one too, wrapped in plastic ...
Edited by Talleyrand on 05-10-2010 16:35
Fair players don't cheat
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| misar82 |
Posted on 05-10-2010 17:01
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The issue of the plasticizers has been published by two (important) newspapers, L'Equipe and the New York Times but it's still a rumour, it hasn´t been confirmed and so it hardly constitutes an "evidence". Since there are so many people in this forum that have already reached a veredict I for my part will believe in the guy's innocence until proven otherwise  |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 05-10-2010 17:29
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Kohl says that it is just not possible to win the Tour without doping and he must know it. He was tested 200 times and was doped in 100 of them but only got busted once.
It is not the question if somebody is doped or not but if it can be proved or not. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 05-10-2010 17:38
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I never believed that the last 20 winners of the Tour did it clean 
Probably even more.
It`S just quite obvious if you compare old Top10 and compare it with later doping cases.
Almost every Top10 rider from 1990 - 2005 had many rumors or even positive tests. |
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Posted on 05-10-2010 17:38
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Lachi wrote:
Kohl says that it is just not possible to win the Tour without doping and he must know it. He was tested 200 times and was doped in 100 of them but only got busted once.
It is not the question if somebody is doped or not but if it can be proved or not.
Got to love a test that works 1% of the time... |
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Posted on 05-10-2010 17:59
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roturn wrote:
I never believed that the last 20 winners of the Tour did it clean
Probably even more.
It`S just quite obvious if you compare old Top10 and compare it with later doping cases.
Almost every Top10 rider from 1990 - 2005 had many rumors or even positive tests.
Hemmmmm, hemmmm. LeMond....
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-10-2010 18:11
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jacknic wrote:
Some Danish scientist pointed out that riders are often given IV liquids between stages which are from the same type of plastic bag as the blood bags. I guess it's a valid point. But that's forbidden as well, except in cases of medical emergency, which didn't happen to Contador.
He might not be busted for blood transfusion, nor clenbuterol, but for cheating on IV. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 05-10-2010 18:41
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Andreas93 wrote:
roturn wrote:
I never believed that the last 20 winners of the Tour did it clean
Probably even more.
It`S just quite obvious if you compare old Top10 and compare it with later doping cases.
Almost every Top10 rider from 1990 - 2005 had many rumors or even positive tests.
Hemmmmm, hemmmm. LeMond....
If you like it then 1991-xyz
But who knows ^^ |
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| jacknic |
Posted on 05-10-2010 18:52
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I'm sorry but according to the most common pcmdaily logic Lemond was not clean. Fignon has admitted he doped and Lemond beat Fignon. Ergo Lemond was doping. He just hadn't discovered EPO.
All this is off topic of course.
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 05-10-2010 18:52
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The plastic is too new a test and can easily be counter argued from here to yaya. It's the clenbuterol or nothing!
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| Andreas93 |
Posted on 05-10-2010 19:17
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jacknic wrote:
I'm sorry but according to the most common pcmdaily logic Lemond was not clean. Fignon has admitted he doped and Lemond beat Fignon. Ergo Lemond was doping. He just hadn't discovered EPO.
All this is off topic of course.
According to pcmdaily logic, everyone who rode for La Vie Claire was clean.
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| zambeaux |
Posted on 05-10-2010 19:34
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Well, the top Renault riders were treated by Mabuse, so... Does anyone really think that someone has won the Tour de France without some type of doping? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-10-2010 19:38
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The main difference between the pre-EPO years and the EPO-years is that doping used to get the best out of riders, whereas it now turns them into superhumans (people whose abilities go beyond what any human could ever perform with a human body).
So, I don't know if that happened, but it was theoretically possible to win the Tour de France without doping before EPO was introduced among good riders. It's not been possible since then.
And LeMond is the last one who won such a Tour de France, whether he was clean or not. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-10-2010 20:14
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misar82 wrote:
The issue of the plasticizers has been published by two (important) newspapers, L'Equipe and the New York Times but it's still a rumour, it hasn´t been confirmed and so it hardly constitutes an "evidence". Since there are so many people in this forum that have already reached a veredict I for my part will believe in the guy's innocence until proven otherwise
It's a proven fact that clenbuterol was found in Alberto Contador, ergo he's no longer innocent. |
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 06-10-2010 08:18
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Andreas93 wrote:
jacknic wrote:
I'm sorry but according to the most common pcmdaily logic Lemond was not clean. Fignon has admitted he doped and Lemond beat Fignon. Ergo Lemond was doping. He just hadn't discovered EPO.
All this is off topic of course.
According to pcmdaily logic, everyone who rode for La Vie Claire was clean.
I'm sure Robert Millar mentioned that he used to do "hormone rebalancing" which is basically out of competition doping to get your hormone levels up to their normal positions after a hard stage race, and I also seem to recall that he mentioned that Lemond used the same doctor for rebalancing as well. Haven't got the book in front of me so can't confirm it though..... |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 06-10-2010 23:57
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As far as im concerned now Andy Scheck is the 2010 Tour de France winner, even if Contador doesn't get banned, he is the winner in my eyes. If this test ain't in WADA's testing yet so what he has still been gaining an advantage by blood transfusion, he should be banned for that, pointless it going to court at the end of the day he has cheated on 2 occasionsa and needs a servere punishment, 2 failed tests in 1 tour is disgraceful 4 year ban I think.
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 07-10-2010 08:22
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In my mind, at best, Anthony Charteau is this years Tour winner. |
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 07-10-2010 08:33
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brun sweater wrote:
In my mind, at best, Anthony Charteau is this years Tour winner.
I'm going to be following the race for last place in future
This year it was Adriano Malori, who finished 4' 2" behind Bert Grabsch! |
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| roturn |
Posted on 07-10-2010 11:06
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facmanpob wrote:
brun sweater wrote:
In my mind, at best, Anthony Charteau is this years Tour winner.
I'm going to be following the race for last place in future
This year it was Adriano Malori, who finished 4' 2" behind Bert Grabsch!
I don`t follow this statistic since Wim Vansevenant isn`t participating
He was 2nd in 2005 and 1st in 06, 07, 08.
He really fighted for it and became quite popular because of this record.
Later he said that nobody wants to interview the midfield, so I tried to become last to have one interview a year
Also he was suggested to get the yellow jersey in 2007(by the press)after lots of doping rumors of the leading riders because as the last one he is probably riding without doping. |
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