I guess this is the first (at least more detailed) info about the Xbox/PS3 version of the game? In the interview which mentioned the PCM 12 features it is said that they made big changes in AI/gameplay/atmosphere, but that's about it.
Indeed, the 1vs1 online seems pretty good. Also the Database Editor (there isn't a DB editor in the current console game, is there?).
But as it seems there will be again only the TdF stages. That's one of the parts I was sure they'd work on. At least some more races would be good (maybe the monuments + 2 GTs if it is to be kept in a low number of races).
Anyway I don't own a PS3 neither an Xbox, but it's nice to see the game getting new good features
Btw, the first link has the possible cover of the game?
ravenation wrote:
Absolutely main thing for me is season planning from the AI.
Every season you know for sure that Paris-Nice ad Tirreno you win with out any problems, because, the AI riders dont have any race form for early season.
Furthermore all races after the Tour De France is also to easy to win. It is horrible that AI dont plan season better.
In the races it seems like the AI many times dont have responces to early attacks. In real life no one would let one of the favourites away early on the stage as it is to dangerous.
Do you play with custom training schedules or do you use one of the ones pre-set by Cyanide?
Custom training schedules ------- the preset one kills the rider before the end of the season.
ravenation wrote:
Absolutely main thing for me is season planning from the AI.
Every season you know for sure that Paris-Nice ad Tirreno you win with out any problems, because, the AI riders dont have any race form for early season.
Furthermore all races after the Tour De France is also to easy to win. It is horrible that AI dont plan season better.
In the races it seems like the AI many times dont have responces to early attacks. In real life no one would let one of the favourites away early on the stage as it is to dangerous.
Do you play with custom training schedules or do you use one of the ones pre-set by Cyanide?
Custom training schedules ------- the preset one kills the rider before the end of the season.
Well the AI uses the preset training schedules, so if you want to be in equal level with them you should use those ones as well. That wouldn't really be playing 'handicap' because the AI can't think on the calendar and create a schedule for the races like humans do. One alternative to 'fix' it then would be to edit the preset schedules so they're better and do not give too much fatigue.
ravenation wrote:
Absolutely main thing for me is season planning from the AI.
Every season you know for sure that Paris-Nice ad Tirreno you win with out any problems, because, the AI riders dont have any race form for early season.
Furthermore all races after the Tour De France is also to easy to win. It is horrible that AI dont plan season better.
In the races it seems like the AI many times dont have responces to early attacks. In real life no one would let one of the favourites away early on the stage as it is to dangerous.
Do you play with custom training schedules or do you use one of the ones pre-set by Cyanide?
Custom training schedules ------- the preset one kills the rider before the end of the season.
Well the AI uses the preset training schedules, so if you want to be in equal level with them you should use those ones as well. That wouldn't really be playing 'handicap' because the AI can't think on the calendar and create a schedule for the races like humans do. One alternative to 'fix' it then would be to edit the preset schedules so they're better and do not give too much fatigue.
Well, good point, i will try it. But still i think that Cyanide schould develope better shcedules for the riders if that is the problem - and make sure the favourites are in shape for the important races. It would be a massive improvement for the game.
ravenation wrote:
Well, good point, i will try it. But still i think that Cyanide schould develope better shcedules for the riders if that is the problem - and make sure the favourites are in shape for the important races. It would be a massive improvement for the game.
Did you actually look up the AI riders form in your savegame or are you saying they had bad form because they underperformed? I don't have the time to do it now, but I think I'll run some tests tomorrow to see what exactly is the other riders form in these races. Look for the riders which have a program which targets, for example, Paris - Nice, and look their form in the race.
No i did not check the form - but if Basso for example loses more than 10 minutes first week in Giro - he is for sure not in shape. Maybe the problem is that the AI give the riders "real-life" race programmes. They cycle Tour De Mallorca, while i take my rider for races closest to Paris-Nice to be in best shape.
What i notice is that after Tirreno and Paris Nice, there is good competition all spring - probably becuase the riders are in shape. In real life race days does not mean so much as in the game - and i guess this is where Cyanide is going wrong.
Another thing is that this could be a 'problem' created by the new races added in the PCM Daily DB. When the Daily DB adds the races, they're not added in riders programs, meaning that the AI will send their worse riders to it - and definitely not their leaders. So you have a race which finishes 5 days away from Paris - Nice (added by Cyanide), and a race which finishes 1 day away from PN (added by a DB). While you can choose to go to the closest race and get the better form, the AI riders will go to the race 5 days away - that's what they're programmed to use as a form builder for Paris - Nice.
But well, Cyanide have told that they have re-worked all the AI calendar process for PCM 12 because of the new teams (there is now the 3rd division) and therefore the new races. Let's hope this will be better in PCM 12
I would like more reality transfer in the AI section. It´s kind of weird to see belgians riding for the Euskaltel squad for example. But it´s a minor problem.
The AI calendar is something I also agrees to. Its kinda easy to win the vuelta or Giro with 81 in MO stat. (I play on hard)
Otherwise I think PCM do have improved the game since 2010 or 2009. In 2009 it was easier to move through the peloton. Nowadays it´s more important to ride at the front.
They have this kind of thread to know what we want to be changed. To say that that they haven´t changed so much, well maybe because the game is f*cking awesome and not that much needs to be changed. But I do hope they do not use that cover on page 10 on 2012!
Oh, and the sponsor thing is a big issue as well. I don´t need to renew the sponsor contractat at all because they will still pay me money? well, that needs to be fixed.
They have this kind of thread to know what we want to be changed. To say that that they haven´t changed so much, well maybe because the game is f*cking awesome and not that much needs to be changed. (...)
They have this kind of thread to know what we want to be changed. To say that that they haven´t changed so much, well maybe because the game is f*cking awesome and not that much needs to be changed. (...)
Who do you mean with THEY? This is not the official forum. This thread has been started to express and discuss your hopes.
If you want to suggest changes to the game, then you would need to do it in the official forum: https://www.cyanid...
ok, by "they" I meant the creators of the game. The guys that works with the developments of the game. But As you said, Lachi, this wasn´t the thread I was hoping for. My mistake
yoejo wrote:
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They have this kind of thread to know what we want to be changed. To say that that they haven´t changed so much, well maybe because the game is f*cking awesome and not that much needs to be changed. (...)
Say what?
And I also meant that a lot of people complains that the game hasn´t really changed that much. But that is because the game is so developed so they don´t need to do develop it much further. According to me, that is
lluuiiggii wrote:
Another thing is that this could be a 'problem' created by the new races added in the PCM Daily DB. When the Daily DB adds the races, they're not added in riders programs, meaning that the AI will send their worse riders to it - and definitely not their leaders. So you have a race which finishes 5 days away from Paris - Nice (added by Cyanide), and a race which finishes 1 day away from PN (added by a DB). While you can choose to go to the closest race and get the better form, the AI riders will go to the race 5 days away - that's what they're programmed to use as a form builder for Paris - Nice.
But well, Cyanide have told that they have re-worked all the AI calendar process for PCM 12 because of the new teams (there is now the 3rd division) and therefore the new races. Let's hope this will be better in PCM 12
That might be the problem - 4 good riders were out of contract after second season, so i put Bradley Wigging to Christina Watches - when the season was over he had just used 10 race days. So it seems like the AI, have problems, when the good riders come to minor teams and dont have their favourite race progamme. Well, thanks for assistance - we hope for improvement in the new game.
There are millions of ways to cheat in this game. If you not only want to cheat but also gamble if you get caught, you should strongly consider playing other games.
PCM would never include a real doping function as it's like they encourage doping. It would however be realistic but not really fun as we already cal trainingcamps cheating.
