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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-04-2012 05:56
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SotD wrote:
I think some managers are "good" at reading the game as to how the team should be formed in order to get their leader out of the dangerzone, so to speak.
So the luck/unluck I don't buy. Not for that many races.
I strongly doubt this is the case, given the fact that all the race planners were send before PCM 11 was used for the man-game for the first time and not so long either after the game waas released (few months). So everybody could only guess the effects of the new edition. But i agree squad composition could be a factor, but the biggest part is the luck/ being unlucky in your case.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 27-04-2012 10:18
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Its luck, pure and simple. Theres nothing in the database that at all relates to crashes, its something that the game decides.
The fact that its happening more to Festina than others is purely coincidental, and unfortunate for SotD.
The only thing with PCM11 is that if theres a big peloton crash, then riders at the back of the peloton are now in more danger of being blocked / taken down. I do like this feature - since it adds to the realism, but it does of course mean bigger crashes. If you have one of the top top favourites - for the stage at least, but sometimes the GC, then the game will position you nearer the front. Or you could avoid one bit of bad luck with another - i.e. relaying when you should not be ala Uran. No time lost in crashes, but perhaps time lost later on the race having used up too much energy needlessly.
How the game decides where to position every single leader though, I have no idea.
PCM12 is hopefully going to be better though. See the following two confirmed features of the game:
Better energy management of AI teams.
Improved positioning of team leaders within the peloton.
Edited by SportingNonsense on 27-04-2012 10:18
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| niconico |
Posted on 27-04-2012 10:53
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It's not purely coincidental then, it has got something to do with stats. Look at Pluchkin for instance, this is his 5th race this season, he has won three of them because he was the best and didn't crash. How often do you see Cunego crash? Spilak?
The reason to this is obviously these riders sprint stats. Now Pluchkin's sprint stat isn't amazing (67 i think). But it is high enough that he takes part in the mass sprints most of the times, meaning he is better positioned in the finales and hence doesn't get dragged down in mass crashes. Same goes for Cunego and Spilak.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-04-2012 11:02
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niconico wrote:
It's not purely coincidental then, it has got something to do with stats. Look at Pluchkin for instance, this is his 5th race this season, he has won three of them because he was the best and didn't crash. How often do you see Cunego crash? Spilak?
The reason to this is obviously these riders sprint stats. Now Pluchkin's sprint stat isn't amazing (67 i think). But it is high enough that he takes part in the mass sprints most of the times, meaning he is better positioned in the finales and hence doesn't get dragged down in mass crashes. Same goes for Cunego and Spilak.
I think this could be a minor factor in some stages, but i doubt it is the reason for leaders being droped on the climb in the middle of the stage.
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| kopfan |
Posted on 27-04-2012 13:16
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Well Cunego is just a god of the Man-Game isn't he.
All fall at his feet (or at least behind him) 
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 27-04-2012 20:46
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It's way too early to count Cunego out of being crash prone. He's only raced LBL before the Tour. 
My feeling is that crashes and riders involved are not completely random. The AI always seems to pick one of the secondary (2*) favourites and lets them go down. Also, seems if a rider goes down once in a race, is more likely to go down again in the same way that riders in attacks go again and again. Certainly not in any database setting, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't somehow hard coded into the game.
Be cool if someone with too much time on their hands went through the PT races and posted up which big name riders have crashed so far/who has been held up and broke it down by race. Should put it in another thread though - this one is/will hopefully be the Cunego appreciation thread.  |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 27-04-2012 21:57
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Excellent, now to hang with Cunego and pass him in the final TT.
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| ANFreeman |
Posted on 27-04-2012 22:09
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Exciting stuff. Well earned by Madrazo. This race is far from over.
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| niconico |
Posted on 27-04-2012 22:33
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Damn. 1'38 down is not good and about a minut behind Madrazo isn't either. I had a feeling this climb wouldn't suit Pluchkin. There's still ways to go though.
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 28-04-2012 00:39
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Not sure what is going on with Marquez, but he seems to be on fire in this Tour. I hope he keeps it up, and we may be competitive in the Overall Teams standings 
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 28-04-2012 08:14
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Really exciting reports, SN.
And good for the race that Madrazo gained time on Cunego. Will be an awesome battle in the final week, with Pluchkin possibly joining as well.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 28-04-2012 08:21
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Setting up perfectly for a dramatic final week. Great reports SN. |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 28-04-2012 08:28
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The final day in the Pyrenees proved a bit of a killer for JRB. But it was a brave performance by Gadret to slowly pick off other riders on his way to a decent stage placing. But it wasn't really a good day in the team car, a lot of guys suffering and I am not sure if anyone has the legs to go in the breaks in the next couple of days.
The GC battle is hotting up as Madrazo makes his play, Cunego is going to have to find a way of prising open that gap again. Pluchkin has taken a big step towards that final podium position but the squabbling for lower places will no doubt continue when we get into the Alps.
Another fantastic stage though, wonderfully reported and those vids are sooo good. I love the difference in riding style the smooth pedelling of Madrazo as he picks off the grovelling former breakaway riders.
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 28-04-2012 09:39
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Trofimov is starting to suffer in the mountains now and was always bound to loose massive chunks of time to the likes of Madrazo and Cunego. But he keeps up well with some of his other rivals and 5th in GC halfway through the Tour is really nice. A top 10 in the end should not be too difficult now, having 5 min to the nearest rider out of the top 10.
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-04-2012 10:18
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SotD wrote:
I think this is the final top 10:
1. Damiano Cunego
2. Angel Madrazo
3. Alexandr Pluchkin
4. Simon Spilak
5. Thomas Dekker
6. Rigoberto Uran
7. Taylor Phinney
8. Jaroslav Popovych
9. Markus Fothen
10. Andrei Amador
And lurking right outside the top 10:
Sergio Luis Henao Montoya
Rein Taaramae
Vladimir Karpets
Daniel Martin
Yuri Trofimov
Andrei Kashechkin
Oh well. Deducting my ever fucking up, Fothen, my guessings have been pretty accurate.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 28-04-2012 11:51
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Good to still be in yellow and tightening the grip on green, but it looks as if we are keeping the yellow warm for Madrazo. From a team perspective, good to see Perez Sanchez finding his legs again and looks as if we can keep putting time into Pluckhin to create the advantage we need for the final test against the clock.
I would have Madrazo as a very big favourite now for the Tour. It may have been a pivotal giving such a crappy rider on the flat a minutes advantage in the valley. If his winning margin is less than 30 seconds I'll be gutted.
Here's how I see it going over the next few stages:
Please no crashes on the next two stages and probably wins for the break both days.
The hilly one - Cunego has a huge advantage over Madrazo and Pluchkin in his hilly stat - unfortunately in most recent hilly stages in stage races that has meant diddly squat. Who knows who will win - break will probably take it, so will miss out on time bonuses too. Can gain no more than 30 seconds.
The climb to Col du Parpaillon - Cunego can certainly win it. It'd be nice to get a minute including bonuses. Could be one of those that a strong climber - Spilak or Dekker wake up and are let go near the bottom and wins it....
The hilly TT is hard to judge. They sometimes favour the chrono men and sometimes the hilly men. I think Cunego will do well here.
In any case, Cunego needs to up his game and start winning some more stages. The team need all the points we can get to have a chance at survival in the PT.... |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 28-04-2012 12:03
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If you pick up a minute to Parpaillon then I suspect you will win the whole thing, I doubt the gap will be more than 20 seconds in the TT, so I suspect the gap will be about a minute or so going into the final few stages, and then it will really be game on.
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| Roman |
Posted on 28-04-2012 13:06
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Well, my dreams of top 10 in Paris are probably now gone but still I hope Henao isn't injured..
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-04-2012 14:45
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I can't seem to think that Cunego is any less of a favorite looking at the stages to come. The hilly TT probably suits him a bit more than Madrazo, so he will not lose time there, while he is a much better finisher, so he could go for time bonuses in all stages, no matter if they're flat, hilly or mountainous.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-04-2012 16:48
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Dekker sucks. That's all for now. |
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