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| Roman |
Posted on 07-01-2015 13:44
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Meh. 
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 07-01-2015 13:46
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Smowz wrote:
JvH utter crap once again - sorry to ember I sold you a real dud there mate.
I know you dont like my "ACC causes it all" attitude, but look at Van Heerden, dude is absolutely useless with his 73 ACC. If he was 73/82 instead 82/73 he would maybe have better succes in pcm13. 
Same goes for Guerao....
Spoiler I think it's also to do with how late the riders start sprinting in this year PCM compared to earlier ones as they only start 1.0km usually compared to 1.7km a few years ago.
A good example of the acceleration in action is the tour of mallorca this year as Maksimov and Vanderbiest were by far the best two sprinters and the same sprint stats and on stage one they got the exact same lead outs but watch how easily maksimov wins it I feel thanks to his acceleration.
https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....d_id=34989
Back to this race though and a great win for good energy in this field and what a superb performance by Cavendish he just needs to show that in the PCT now |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 07-01-2015 13:59
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Hard to argue here Avin with the sprints. I guess when it comes to putting on the afterburners having low ACC really sucks.
I doubt he would get much if he was 73/82, but it does seem the case that 79/80 > 82/73. In fact the game seems to think this with Good Energy as one of the chasers. In some ways when it comes to sprinting you can see the point, but JvH has been getting goodish results in the past (not so much last year mind you).
Not always the case with the mountains and hills - though I am sure acceleration help Andy and Jose to their big GT wins. Not sure if MO 79/ ACC 80 outdoes MO 82 ACC 73???
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| niconico |
Posted on 07-01-2015 14:03
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Pleasant surprise with Vinther in 10th. That's actually an awesome result for him!
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| beagle |
Posted on 07-01-2015 14:59
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Roman wrote:
Meh.
+1
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 07-01-2015 16:10
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Tough sprint, but I'm glad to see Avelino make it to the top5. It could be better, but it could absolutely be worse.
Congratulations rjc and thanks again tsmoha 
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| SotD |
Posted on 07-01-2015 16:33
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Yoann Paillot in the early break, Gatis Smukulis trying with 5km to go, and Tzortzakis in 7th. Can't complain about that at all! That's just a nice performance all around. I would have liked to be up a bit higher though, when I saw Tzortzakis picking the wheel of Bennati, but as a sprinter not fully developped I can't be unhappy 
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| SotD |
Posted on 07-01-2015 16:45
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Smowz wrote:
JvH utter crap once again - sorry to ember I sold you a real dud there mate.
I know you dont like my "ACC causes it all" attitude, but look at Van Heerden, dude is absolutely useless with his 73 ACC. If he was 73/82 instead 82/73 he would maybe have better succes in pcm13.
Same goes for Guerao...
Congarts to Good Energy and Rjc_43, i love their roster and what a season they have!
Huge result for cav and his PCT struggling team.
How does these things work in PCM 14? I think it would be extremely nice, if we could have some sort of debate as to which stats seem to have improved on significance, and if other stats have decreased in significance...
IIRC the resistance stat is worth nothing in PCM13, while I guess it will work in PCM14. In PCM13 the acceleration stat is overpowered, while I hope in PCM14 that changes.
For those of us that cannot run the PCM14, but still enjoy the game, it would be really valuable knowledge, so all of the Man-Game managers have aproximately the same chances to do well.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 07-01-2015 17:25
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Very anonymous but 19th is a decent enough result for Feillu. With Degenkolb poor, I guess it goes down as a good race for us.
Certainly a good race for British riders!
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| ember |
Posted on 07-01-2015 17:36
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Thanks for another report, tsmoha, with a very surprising winner. Great stuff for rjc considering the overall battle.
Obviously not a satisfying result from Van Heerden, but there isn't much to do about it. Though, it's becoming pretty clear I made the wrong choice with the training this season. In the end it was between JVH's acc to 76 or EBH's hill stat to 85. Let's just say I won't hesitate much if I get a similar choice the next transfer season and the acc stat is just as important as this season... |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 08-01-2015 00:18
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Holy shit, Bos survived in the peloton.
Best result all year from any rider of any team!
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| Heine |
Posted on 08-01-2015 05:31
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Not bad from Nacer. Suprised that he's going for it though and not Zabel :/
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-01-2015 06:48
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Smowz wrote:
Hard to argue here Avin with the sprints. I guess when it comes to putting on the afterburners having low ACC really sucks.
I doubt he would get much if he was 73/82, but it does seem the case that 79/80 > 82/73. In fact the game seems to think this with Good Energy as one of the chasers. In some ways when it comes to sprinting you can see the point, but JvH has been getting goodish results in the past (not so much last year mind you).
Not always the case with the mountains and hills - though I am sure acceleration help Andy and Jose to their big GT wins. Not sure if MO 79/ ACC 80 outdoes MO 82 ACC 73???
Spoiler Well, look at Ignatiev with his 72/82 SPR/ACC combo, who was regulary beating riders like Goss,Greipel, Lo Cicero or Cabrera in flat stages of Post Danmark Rundt few weeks ago and these have around or over 80 sprint! Of course daily form is another big factor that comes into play and i exaggerated it, but i would really say some 77-78/82 are better than 82/77 during the season. If i knew that about Ignatiev, i would sens him to more sprint HC classics instead of random TT races. 
Not so sure about those mountain goats, i would say there is this effect lowered a bit from what i have seen this year, but anyway climber under 70-72ACC is close to disaster in pcm13 competing against 75+ ACC guys. If i can take Popovych as the example, he is 79 mountain with terrible 67 in ACC and is beaing regulary beaten in mounatins by 76-78 MOU guys throughout the year. Again, this is also influenced by another factors like strenght of the team or daily form, but it s regularity shows some pattern.
@SotD: I agree, but i could not be much helpful here. I am owner of PCM14 and i played it for a while ,but i did not like it at all with same bugs being there for ages, so i quit playing it pretty fast.But from what i have heard, stats should be a bit more functional there, so here is the hoping for better balance...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 08-01-2015 06:49
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| roturn |
Posted on 08-01-2015 09:00
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Heine wrote:
Not bad from Nacer. Suprised that he's going for it though and not Zabel :/
I think for those 77-79 sprinters, only those with a good daily form will go for the sprint trains. This probably was Bouhanni, Trusov and Vinter in this race, while others like Zabel, Nizzolo, Krieger etc. must have had a bad or neutral one.
@Avin: Not too sure. Most important is still the sprint stat as otherwise your sprinters often gets ignored and not even taking part in the sprint trains. Look at Guardini for example. He is 78/80, so a nice acceleration. But due to his 78 sprint he is often not even sprinting or far too late and then finishing in the 20`s only.
When participating you are right I guess. Then a high acceleration seems to be more important than sprint or at least 50/50. But I would prefer having a 82/73 to get some top10`s over a 78/82 who gets 2-3 top10`s all season as not participating in 50% of all sprints.
Edited by roturn on 08-01-2015 09:03
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| SotD |
Posted on 08-01-2015 09:45
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IMO the sprint stat is only important when you are a 3 star favorite. Otherwise your team doesn't form a train, and then it seems that ACC is more important than sprint.
It could be that ACC and SPR is actually equally important though, so riders with 80/80 is MUCH better than an 82/73 rider. I don't know though. I just know that either you have a sprinter delivering from a train (he can have a relatively poor ACC), or you have a rider who sits on a wheel, and he must have a high ACC, otherwise he just loses the wheel and finishes around 7th-15th.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 08-01-2015 10:00
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@ roturn: With one exception if the rider is Juan Van Heerden then no way. That said I always have to rememer how well waged he is. I always think that about Santos after a non performance he is only 90K.
Actually I always get a pang when writing something bad about him really.
@SotD: I would give THIS thread a read through. Some interesting points in there.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-01-2015 12:36
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Good results by Vueling in both Norway (wooo-hoo - stage win!) and Moscow. Rarely ever win, but consistent - should be enough to stay up, I hope  |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 18-02-2015 19:03
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Cool to see Belarusbank on the podium here with Cav and of course Bennati as well although the competition wasn't too strong so it's nearly a slight disappointment.
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