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| Wild Dog |
Posted on 23-06-2014 15:56
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anderspcm wrote:
samu12 wrote:
That's RIDICULOUS lluuiiggii. They're trying to do the same shirt, the same real shirt, it's normal and EVIDENT that there will be a lot of coincedences between both shirts, because they are trying to do the same!
Also, if you open each shirt in a single tab and you compare them, they are really different!! Yes, there will be some similarities, but it looks like giltxiki have the exact same placement of the BMC logos on the side of the shorts. The chances for them to make the exact same bend, keep the logo in the exact same size and make the exact same placement are almost 0%.
Well. The BMC logo on the right side of the shorts aren't at the exact same place.. |
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| bwiggins |
Posted on 23-06-2014 16:27
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giltxiki wrote:
If you need to know all the evidences of my work here you will have them. Now, I'm doing Neri's shirt. At first I do only some lines to know where I have to paint later... Here you have:
Seriously?
It proves nothing at all that you haven't stole the logos.
Just stop and admit it!
It's also fun, you did not use the same logo on the front, as you have on the shorts!
It might be a little hard to see for the rest of you on the screen, but if you look at this it is Clearly!
Edited by bwiggins on 23-06-2014 16:27
Wiggo and Simon Gerrans!
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| haasje33 |
Posted on 23-06-2014 17:09
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Guys, it's obvious that he spent a lot of time creating the jersey. Whether he used 2 logos from another jersey or not, it shouldn't be worth this discussion.
So let's all just focus on what this community is all about. After all, we all have the same goal: making the experience of all PCM-gamers as realistic as possible!
Inactive due to personal reasons.
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| giltxiki |
Posted on 23-06-2014 17:33
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haasje33 wrote:
Guys, it's obvious that he spent a lot of time creating the jersey. Whether he used 2 logos from another jersey or not, it shouldn't be worth this discussion.
So let's all just focus on what this community is all about. After all, we all have the same goal: making the experience of all PCM-gamers as realistic as possible!
Thank you haasje33, It looks that you are the onlyone who knows for what do we work some guys of this forum by the face... |
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Posted on 05-12-2025 21:40
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 23-06-2014 18:21
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samu12 wrote:
That's RIDICULOUS lluuiiggii. They're trying to do the same shirt, the same real shirt, it's normal and EVIDENT that there will be a lot of coincedences between both shirts, because they are trying to do the same!
Also, if you open each shirt in a single tab and you compare them, they are really different!!
sergianotero wrote:
He's making a real jersey and taking the logos from the oficial website, obviously there could be some equalities
Anyone claiming that because it's another recreation of the same real life jersey there will be logos bended exactly like each other and placed exactly like each other, pixel-to-pixel, obviously knows nothing of shirtmaking or at least pretends not to know. As anderspcm said, the chance of this happening is nearly non-existant.
Wild Dog wrote:
Well. The BMC logo on the right side of the shorts aren't at the exact same place..
The placement is moved a few pixels, but the bending (which is the part that normally changes the most from shirt to shirt) is the same.
giltxiki wrote:
I think that if we wouldn't be so estrict with the work of the others we could launch more things together and probably will be better for all of us.
I fail to see how simply wanting people not to copy other people's work and pretend it's theirs is "being so strict with the work of others".
haasje33 wrote:
Guys, it's obvious that he spent a lot of time creating the jersey. Whether he used 2 logos from another jersey or not, it shouldn't be worth this discussion.
So let's all just focus on what this community is all about. After all, we all have the same goal: making the experience of all PCM-gamers as realistic as possible!
Yes, the point of the community is definitely about improving the game, and I believe no one will dislike it if you use another member's work and make it better so long as you give credit for it.
Anyway, it indeed doesn't look like carrying on this discussion will be much useful. You said you could post the .psd but you didn't. I believe that, if anything, the community could give you some tips if you posted the .psd, because the coloring around some logos could be improved and some other logos look very pixelated. I'm certain this can be improved, but having the .psd we could known what techniques you've done on those logos and how to make it better.
Edited by lluuiiggii on 23-06-2014 18:26
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| kyle |
Posted on 23-06-2014 18:29
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Wtf are you fighting about? You talk like this sh!t of jersey making gave you any kind of consideration or even money.. Just let people keep doing what they want to do and cut it out, geez! |
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| giltxiki |
Posted on 23-06-2014 18:37
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kyle wrote:
Wtf are you fighting about? You talk like this sh!t of jersey making gave you any kind of consideration or even money.. Just let people keep doing what they want to do and cut it out, geez!
+1 hahahahaha, by the way, I see that my thread is being the most readen that isn't bad. How can I upload a PSD? |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 23-06-2014 18:38
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| giltxiki |
Posted on 23-06-2014 19:20
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Here it is the last shirt I did. Neri Sottoli Team's official shirt:
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| mede33 |
Posted on 23-06-2014 19:46
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What is strange with your jerseys is the fact that some parts are really good, but others quite bad...  There is potential anyway.
The new PCM France : https://www.legruppetto.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=67
Just have a look, there's shirts and stages for you !
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| giltxiki |
Posted on 23-06-2014 20:13
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mede33 wrote:
What is strange with your jerseys is the fact that some parts are really good, but others quite bad... There is potential anyway.
Which one do you see that are quite bad? |
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| mede33 |
Posted on 23-06-2014 20:21
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All the blue shapes got a problem, but it's not the same each time
The new PCM France : https://www.legruppetto.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=67
Just have a look, there's shirts and stages for you !
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 23-06-2014 20:26
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Why don't you upload PSD? I am not in all of this story, but if BMC jersey is actually yours, just upload it.
Which one do you see that are quite bad?
#1 https://prntscr.co... Not filled by color
#2 https://prntscr.co... Pixelated
#3 https://prntscr.co... Pixelated v2
#4 https://prntscr.co... Blue part looks bad
#5 Generally all shapes are really pixelated.
Not really trying to disrespect you and your work as it's quite good, but I am just amazed how you can make such a complicated shirt(s) with alot of small mistakes and pixelated shapes that are literally for noobs in all of this. That's what is suspicious (especially because you're doing it in Photoshop, which isn't supposed to have any problems with shapes except if you're really just re-colouring others work) and what starts all of this story with stealing others work.
If you're doing this jerseys by yourself, pay some attention on pixelated and shapes details. If not, well, it's not nice.
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| giltxiki |
Posted on 23-06-2014 22:22
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I have just done some NC maillots for Neri Sottoli:
nri_maillot:
nri_maillot_esp:
nri_maillot_est:
nri_maillot_fra:
nri_maillot_ita:
Edited by giltxiki on 23-06-2014 22:24
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| giltxiki |
Posted on 23-06-2014 23:21
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admirschleck wrote:
Why don't you upload PSD? I am not in all of this story, but if BMC jersey is actually yours, just upload it.
Which one do you see that are quite bad?
#1 https://prntscr.co... Not filled by color
#2 https://prntscr.co... Pixelated
#3 https://prntscr.co... Pixelated v2
#4 https://prntscr.co... Blue part looks bad
#5 Generally all shapes are really pixelated.
Not really trying to disrespect you and your work as it's quite good, but I am just amazed how you can make such a complicated shirt(s) with alot of small mistakes and pixelated shapes that are literally for noobs in all of this. That's what is suspicious (especially because you're doing it in Photoshop, which isn't supposed to have any problems with shapes except if you're really just re-colouring others work) and what starts all of this story with stealing others work.
If you're doing this jerseys by yourself, pay some attention on pixelated and shapes details. If not, well, it's not nice.
Here you have all the layers I created to do Neri Sottoli's jersey. After this if you continue thinking that my mistakes or my works look suspicious I think it will be really ridiculous...
Evidence:
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 23-06-2014 23:59
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Nice NC's for Neri Sottoli  |
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| anderspcm |
Posted on 24-06-2014 07:03
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giltxiki wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Why don't you upload PSD? I am not in all of this story, but if BMC jersey is actually yours, just upload it.
Which one do you see that are quite bad?
#1 https://prntscr.co... Not filled by color
#2 https://prntscr.co... Pixelated
#3 https://prntscr.co... Pixelated v2
#4 https://prntscr.co... Blue part looks bad
#5 Generally all shapes are really pixelated.
Not really trying to disrespect you and your work as it's quite good, but I am just amazed how you can make such a complicated shirt(s) with alot of small mistakes and pixelated shapes that are literally for noobs in all of this. That's what is suspicious (especially because you're doing it in Photoshop, which isn't supposed to have any problems with shapes except if you're really just re-colouring others work) and what starts all of this story with stealing others work.
If you're doing this jerseys by yourself, pay some attention on pixelated and shapes details. If not, well, it's not nice.
Here you have all the layers I created to do Neri Sottoli's jersey. After this if you continue thinking that my mistakes or my works look suspicious I think it will be really ridiculous...
Evidence:
What he mean is, that it looks like you've just used magic wand tool to mark someone else's shapes and then filled them, because if you do them yourself with pen tool, the quality will be much better, but maybe you just have some wrong settings.
Edited by anderspcm on 24-06-2014 07:04
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| haasje33 |
Posted on 24-06-2014 10:30
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Can we just cut this crap? Anders and Admir: you've proven your point, now let him concentrate on his jerseymaking!
There is quite some potential here! For the blue parts of the Neri Sottoli-jersey: try using magic wand on your stitches-layer, so you can fill the entire block. That way the blue parts will come out more smooth than they are now.
Inactive due to personal reasons.
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| giltxiki |
Posted on 24-06-2014 12:08
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haasje33 wrote:
Can we just cut this crap? Anders and Admir: you've proven your point, now let him concentrate on his jerseymaking!
There is quite some potential here! For the blue parts of the Neri Sottoli-jersey: try using magic wand on your stitches-layer, so you can fill the entire block. That way the blue parts will come out more smooth than they are now.
I agree with all you said
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| anderspcm |
Posted on 24-06-2014 13:16
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haasje33 wrote:
Can we just cut this crap? Anders and Admir: you've proven your point, now let him concentrate on his jerseymaking!
There is quite some potential here! For the blue parts of the Neri Sottoli-jersey: try using magic wand on your stitches-layer, so you can fill the entire block. That way the blue parts will come out more smooth than they are now. I would, but he clearly can't see that it is wrong to "steal" a part from someone else. It is so obivous he has taken the logos from Hugo's jersey and copied them onto his own. The BMC logos on the shorts logos are 100% the same as on Hugo's (same placement, same bending, same size, same logo), the logo on the right on the shorts, are just placed a couple of pixels below the opposite logo, so he has just missed the placement.
He seems to be new and beginnings are tough so I understand it can be hard in the beginning, but what annoys me is that he won't admit that he got a little to inspired of Hugo.
But if he wan't constructive criticism, here is my view(on the BMC jersey):
The main part of the logos are in bad quality, so it should be pretty easy to improve.
Example: This is the quality the BMC logo should be in:
The stitchings look fine, new and different.
I don't really know why you have the stitching that seperates the jersey from the shorts, but I can't see it do any good, especially ingame.
The rest looks fine.
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