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A British DB
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 23-06-2012 10:27
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Reading, not in the Tour of the North West 
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| jimycooper |
Posted on 23-06-2012 10:54
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Hey,
I love this idea it's brilliant! I'd really love to help out but unfortunately i'm pretty computer illiterate haha. If there's anything i could do that's not very complex i'm more than willing to help out, and i know a lot about the british racing scene so if you need any help with race or team ideas, or stats just give me a shout |
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 23-06-2012 11:09
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Stats! They'd be brilliant 
Remember, I'm intending to make it only a british DB, with UK races and UK focus, so we people like say Clancy, could be easily 77 78 sprint
Just PM me any riders or preferably teams, that you can do stats for, and that'd be absolutely fantastic!
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 23-06-2012 13:45
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Really like the Herbalife jersey, well done |
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| ZinovievLetter |
Posted on 23-06-2012 23:38
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What are you going to do about bulking up the peloton for these races? Won't it be very small?
I was going to suggest that putting in a few foreign Conti teams who ride some of those races would be a good idea, (teams like An Post ride the ToB and Ras and sometimes a few others) but then you'd have them showing up to all of the little races that they don't really belong in. |
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 23-06-2012 23:47
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Now I have a second person involved, who has taken over a large proportion of the stats, We will be having 37 teams:
Spoiler 1 Node4 - Giordana Racing
2 Team Raleigh - GAC
3 Endura Racing
4 Rapha Condor Sharp
5 Metaltek - Scott
6 Pedal Heaven RT
7 Cycle Premier - Kovert
8 Herbalife-Leisure Lakes Bikes.com
9 Wilier/Live to Ride
10 Felt-Colbornes RT
11 Team Corley Cycles/Blue
12 Team IG - Sigma Sport
13 Vanillabikes.com
14 Primal Europe Powered By RuTrainingToday.co.uk
15 Team UK Youth
16 VC St Raphael
17 Team Bglobal
18 Zappi's Cycling Club
19 RST Racing Team
20 Velo29-OTR-Vankru
21 An-Post Sean Kelly
21 Twenty3c.co.uk Orbea
23 Teamwallis CHH Racing Team
24 Hargroves Cycles-Specialized-Trant-Next-Elliott's
25 100% Me (GB U23 Squad)
26 Pedal Power-Endura-Forme Racing (Endura feeder team)
27 Team Hope Factory Racing
28 Planet X
29 GWR Team/Swindon Cycles/High5/Kalas/Giant
30 London Dynamo
31 Champion System/Maxgear/Kyklos
34 Sportscover Altura RT
35 Primera-Specialized
Which should do the "Bulking Up" job
You may note the list only goes up to 35, the final 2 teams, will be a pair of Fantasy teams, constructed from British Riders currently riding in non-british teams
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 24-06-2012 00:06
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No sky?
And if Clancy has 77, does that mean Cav has 86? 
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| ZinovievLetter |
Posted on 24-06-2012 00:07
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baggieboys32 wrote:
Now I have a second person involved, who has taken over a large proportion of the stats, We will be having 37 teams
That looks amazing. Nice work.
How will you be handling team status? You have one WT team, no ProConti teams, seven Conti teams and a whole bunch of amateur teams. Will you just be making the Conti teams into ProConti ones and the amateur ones into Conti ones?
That seems to be the obvious way to handle things within the PCM structure. It occurs to me thought that it might throw up some problems, with the new ProConti teams unable to race in Ireland and An Post unable to race anywhere but the ToB.
Also, don't Sky cause a bit of a problem, because of their WT status? |
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 24-06-2012 00:13
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"Sky - Development Squad"
I'm hoping to make them basically a replica of the GB olympic Development programme,
Shouldn't be too hard, as I know a guy whose on it, and hopefully will be joining him this time next year
Also regarding the Team levels, not sure yet, probably make everyone the equivalent of Proconti, but I need to have athink
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| ZinovievLetter |
Posted on 24-06-2012 00:34
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baggieboys32 wrote:
"Sky - Development Squad"
I'm hoping to make them basically a replica of the GB olympic Development programme,
Shouldn't be too hard, as I know a guy whose on it, and hopefully will be joining him this time next year
Also regarding the Team levels, not sure yet, probably make everyone the equivalent of Proconti, but I need to have athink
The idea of an Olympic development team is really interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing this.
You are probably right about putting all teams in the same UCI category. Then you can just handle the difference in quality through rider stats. It's probably less likely to throw up weird anomalies like a Ras without the real world Conti teams who almost all ride it. Although, now that I think about it, you might end up with big races randomly full of amateur teams and Conti teams missing if you take out the distinction between team levels. Is the AI smart enough to put the teams with the best riders into the most important races if the db doesn't chop them into divisions?
As an aside, you probably already know this but it would be a really bad idea to rely on PCMDaily databases for a baseline for the teams like Endura and An Post who are big enough to make the general database. The PCMDaily databases tend to be pretty reliable when it comes to WT and PC teams, but they are absolutely woeful when it comes to smaller teams. You get things like An Post's team leader Bagdonas, who is apart from Tiernan-Locke possibly the most successful Conti rider on the UCI Europe Tour over the last year, with the stats of the lowliest domestique on the team. So much work goes into getting the bigger teams right that nobody even seems to scan CQ for thirty seconds to get a sense of the smaller teams.
I'd offer to help with rider stats, but I don't have the first clue about the riders below the real-world Conti level, and if you are knowledgeable enough to even think of making a db like this, you almost certainly have a very good sense of the Conti teams already!
And good luck on the real world development squad!
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 24-06-2012 00:40
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Well, I know the scene pretty well, and I've got help from another Guy on .Daily, who seems to know his stuff way better than me, so we should be able to put together a reasonable collection of stats, and remember, seeing as it's a national level DB, it won't be a case of every rider having 50-65 stats, the best guys will get high stats, because compared to the competition, they're that much better
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| ZinovievLetter |
Posted on 24-06-2012 00:46
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baggieboys32 wrote:remember, seeing as it's a national level DB, it won't be a case of every rider having 50-65 stats, the best guys will get high stats, because compared to the competition, they're that much better
I hadn't thought of that, but yeah, you are right. If you don't upgrade the riders to reflect the domestic scale, there won't be enough differences between them. It will be amusing seeing Tiernan-Locke with the stats of an Andy Schleck, Bagdonas as Boonen, Russ Downing as Cavendish etc. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 24-06-2012 00:50
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ZinovievLetter wrote:
As an aside, you probably already know this but it would be a really bad idea to rely on PCMDaily databases for a baseline for the teams like Endura and An Post who are big enough to make the general database. The PCMDaily databases tend to be pretty reliable when it comes to WT and PC teams, but they are absolutely woeful when it comes to smaller teams. You get things like An Post's team leader Bagdonas, who is apart from Tiernan-Locke possibly the most successful Conti rider on the UCI Europe Tour over the last year, with the stats of the lowliest domestique on the team. So much work goes into getting the bigger teams right that nobody even seems to scan CQ for thirty seconds to get a sense of the smaller teams.
Which is why this 22-page thread exists
https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....rowstart=0
It's not possible for 1 stat maker - in this case Alakagom - to go through 1.500 riders one by one to update their stats for 2012. He goes through the PT teams and the most "obvious" cases among the lower ranked teams, which is why feedback is much appreciated on the stats, specially on the smaller teams/riders
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| ZinovievLetter |
Posted on 24-06-2012 00:56
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lluuiiggii wrote:It's not possible for 1 stat maker - in this case Alakagom - to go through 1.500 riders one by one to update their stats for 2012. He goes through the PT teams and the most "obvious" cases among the lower ranked teams, which is why feedback is much appreciated on the stats, specially on the smaller teams/riders
Fair point!
I probably came across as a bit carping there. I do understand that a huge amount of work goes into making a PCMDaily db, and I do think that they are very good when it comes to the WT and PC teams (which most people use).
I'll have a look at the thread you linked to. Would it be better to post there or to wait for a PCM 2012 thread?
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 24-06-2012 01:04
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ZinovievLetter wrote:
I'll have a look at the thread you linked to. Would it be better to post there or to wait for a PCM 2012 thread?
You can post there. I guess a PCM12 Stat Discussion thread will be created once the PCM12 PCMDaily DB is released, which will still take some time. And thanks in advance
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 24-06-2012 01:08
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Right, well I've just finished the next jersey (Node4) I'll put it on here tomorrow along with a link to the accessories like i did with Herbalife
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 24-06-2012 01:13
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Btw, I forgot to say when commenting on the shirt: if you pack all the accessories/jersey in a .rar file it'll be easier to download and take a look
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 24-06-2012 01:19
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True, I knew that, and yet, somehow, completely slipped my mind, I'll make sure to do so for the next one, shall i include the .PNG's of each item?
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 24-06-2012 01:57
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Okay, so I got bored and not very tired, so here's the next team pack
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 24-06-2012 02:20
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Node4 - Brilliant, and nice shirt design too |
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