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p3druh
Top  #21 Print Post
Posted on 15-02-2011 20:30
Smowz wrote:So with the possible exception of Team B and O - this was definitely a sucky race for Festina.

But equally after a very indifferent Tour de France what a great couple of races for Pearl Adidas.

I don't dispute that. It really was. But it was to be expected as this happens in 99% of the flat classics. I just disagree that he has any reason to be bitter when his team has had a big amount of luck throughout the season (with which he never complained). To do so when it comes back to haunt him and forget everything that happened before just seems a bit of an overreaction.

As for Pearl Adidas, the season is about done as I don't think we'll be moving out of the 3rd to 5th place interval.

@SotD:
Exactly, I don't complain because it happens. Like I wouldn't have if Vanderbiest hadn't won in his home nation. Care to see an even huger cock up from Bakelants? Go see the Eire Tour. Excuse me if I don't see what's so revolting about a classic like this when it was to be expected that it would happen like it has happened many times before. The only difference is that you mind when it happens to your advantage (hence the reference to Deutchsland) but become severely upset when it bites you in the ass. That's all I said, that I don't agree with you're reaction.
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Posted on 15-02-2011 20:47
Why would I complain when I am lucky? You aren't making any sense at all. If i underperform I gets sorry, if I overperform I get thrilled. If I perform according to par I don't care much. Isn't that just how it would be considered normal?

EDIT: And I don't think I wrote anywhere that I expected a win from Bewley, but the way the race evolved, I cannot be anything but unsatisfied with 26th no matter how well my team have performed previously.

You don't see Mourinho going out and say that it didn't matter that Real lost 5-0 to Barcelona because they had plenty of luck in earlier matches. That is in the past, and doesn't have anything to do with the current situation.
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Posted on 15-02-2011 21:08
I'll repeat but I don't really see why this is being so hard for you to understand: All I said is that I don't agree with your point of view of simply eliminating all the things that have happened to your team in past races. But maybe that's just me because I comment on the race looking at the context of the whole season, not just the race itself.
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Posted on 15-02-2011 21:18
So what do you want from me? To comment happy when I am and to shut the fuck up when I'm not?
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p3druh
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Posted on 15-02-2011 21:23
SotD wrote:
So what do you want from me? To comment happy when I am and to shut the fuck up when I'm not?

Take a chill pill. I don't give a heck (yes, I went there Pfft) what you do. I just gave my opinion on an analysis that I don't agree with.

And this is the last I will be commenting on the subject because now we're just going around in a loop.
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Posted on 15-02-2011 21:31
Alright, dear children. Go watch some Champions League Wink
 
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Posted on 15-02-2011 21:45
No surprise to see none of my guys up there...

And by the way Mike.

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SportingNonsense
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Posted on 15-02-2011 21:46
Schinker 22nd!!! Epic result for him.
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Gustavovskiy
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Posted on 16-02-2011 01:05
Nothing much here, even though achieving two top20s with a sprinter-free squad is something noticeable.

Good report Smowz. Nice to see we can always rely on you when it takes to maintain the reporting tempo Wink
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SportingNonsense
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Posted on 16-02-2011 13:40
Ind. Rankings Update

Bennati moves up into 10th, Ballan into 16th, race winner Vanderbiest into 34th.

1DamianoCunegoLa Gazzetta dello Sport2154
2SimonSpilakWarner Brothers2120
3YuriTrofimovSony Ericsson2101
4TaylorPhinneyWikipedia2046
5AlejandroValverdeCafé de Colombia1927
6EmanueleSellaLipton Ice Tea1709
7RigobertoÚranVesuvio-Accumalux1680
8FrankSchleckVesuvio-Accumalux1513
9AleksandrPluchkinTeam B&O1446
10DanieleBennatiLa Gazzetta dello Sport1410
11Edvald BoassonHagenTeam B&O1403
12BeñatIntxaustiVesuvio-Accumalux1356
13ThomasDekkerPhilips - TDC1295
14RobertGesinkJack Wolfskin1272
15RubénPlazaJack Wolfskin1272
16AlessandroBallanSony Ericsson1183
17AndySchleckDomina Vacanze1176
18Sergio LuisHenao MontoyaTeam Nespresso1112
19MarkusFothenPearl Adidas1084
20VincenzoNibaliDomina Vacanze1056
21CarlosCastañoFestina - Corona1041
22SamuelSánchez GonzalezFestina - Corona1040
23JanBakelantsPearl Adidas1034
24JurgenRoelandtsCarmeuse Cyclisme1009
25TomBoonenWarner Brothers1008
26Luis LeonSanchez GilEnergie-Diesel995
27JaroslavPopovychCarmeuse Cyclisme986
28FabianCancellaraCarmeuse Cyclisme960
29JanezBrajkovicDomina Vacanze949
30JeromeCoppelAuber 93 - Look927
31MarcusBurghardtWikipedia898
32TejayVan GarderenWikipedia873
33PatrikSinkewitzAuber 93 - Look872
34RomainVanderbiestPearl Adidas871
35RaúlGranjel CabreraSony Ericsson866

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39DiegoUlissiFestina - Corona783
41NickNuyensDomina Vacanze761
42SamBewleyFestina - Corona722
44GiovanniViscontiTeam Starbucks-Radioshack700
45AndreiAmadorTeam Starbucks-Radioshack694
49DaniloDi LucaTeam Nespresso630
51MichaelVan StayenJack Wolfskin622
60SantoAnzaSony Ericsson509
63LeonardoDuqueEnergie-Diesel499
64WilliamFordAuber 93 - Look484
67José AngelGomez MarchanteCafé de Colombia450
70RafaelRodríguez SegarraLa Gazzetta dello Sport429
73NolanHoffmanTeam Nespresso398
74NikolasMaesAuber 93 - Look385
76DietmarMehr-WenigeAuber 93 - Look340
78GeertSteursTeam Nespresso333
95JelleVanendertDomina Vacanze276
98MauroSantambrogioLa Gazzetta dello Sport266
100YoannOffredoPearl Adidas252
103ÓscarPereiro SioCafé de Colombia248
104StevenKruijswijkTeam B&O246
106SandyCasarCarmeuse Cyclisme242
107MauricioSolerEnergie-Diesel240
109LloydMondoryPearl Adidas239
111MartinReimerPhilips - TDC233
113CyrilGautierLafarge229
115SebastianLangeveldAuber 93 - Look219
116WilliamBonnetLafarge219
118ParideGrilloSony Ericsson218
121MaximIglinskiVesuvio-Accumalux212
126AndrewTennantCafé de Colombia201
128DmitriMuravjevSony Ericsson199
129AntonioColom MasEnergie-Diesel198
133MatejMugerliLa Gazzetta dello Sport195
139JukkaVastarantaPearl Adidas188
140AleksandrSerebriakovPhilips - TDC187
142AlexDowsettLa Gazzetta dello Sport186
145LudovicBretLafarge182
148RyanEastmanWikipedia181
149ChristianKneesCafé de Colombia178
156PieterJacobsCarmeuse Cyclisme164
157SergioMarinangeliLa Gazzetta dello Sport164
158AlexandreAulasCarmeuse Cyclisme163
162AngelViciosoEnergie-Diesel162
163TomVeelersTeam B&O162
165ManueleMoriSony Ericsson160
167Lars YttingBakPhilips - TDC157
168SteveMorabitoFestina - Corona156
169TylerFarrarWikipedia156
170PhilipDeignanCafé de Colombia154
175MichaelReihsSony Ericsson152
176MarkusEibeggerDomina Vacanze150
183MatteoBonoLa Gazzetta dello Sport147
191ÓscarAvelinoLipton Ice Tea142
192KoenDe KortJack Wolfskin141
194SébastienJolyCafé de Colombia139
197StefanDeniflFestina - Corona134
201CesareDi MaggioLipton Ice Tea129
203RémyDi GregorioCarmeuse Cyclisme128
206JurgenVan GoolenFestina - Corona126
208RemmertWielingaLa Gazzetta dello Sport124
212MarcelSiebergJack Wolfskin123
220RomanKreuzigerTeam B&O116
222LuigiSestiliLafarge114
224SantiagoPerez FernandezWarner Brothers114
225Thomas VedelKvistFestina - Corona113
234PierrickFédrigoTeam Nespresso110
236NielsScheunemannPhilips - TDC109
238RembertoJaramilloTeam Starbucks-Radioshack109
239BenGastauerVesuvio-Accumalux109
241GuillaumeLevarletPearl Adidas108
243José AntonioRedondoWarner Brothers108
244LuisFernández OliveiraSony Ericsson107
245RobertoTraficanteTeam Nespresso107
246BjörnSchröderDomina Vacanze106
247MichelKrederJack Wolfskin106
250PedroSibila RomeroTeam Starbucks-Radioshack104
252WouterWeylandtCarmeuse Cyclisme102
258AdamPetrie-ArmstrongLipton Ice Tea100
260MatthewBuscheWikipedia100
261RemcoBroersWikipedia100
263ConstantinoZaballaEnergie-Diesel99
264GabrielBrizuelaLipton Ice Tea99
267MartinPedersenPhilips - TDC98
271José JoaquinRojas GilEnergie-Diesel96
272MaurizioBiondoEnergie-Diesel96
276Héctor FabianAguilarTeam Nespresso96
277ChristopheKernAuber 93 - Look95
280VicenteReynèsCafé de Colombia94
283AlexArdila CanoCafé de Colombia92
284SvenNooytensLipton Ice Tea92
290RudiVan HoutsWarner Brothers90
296KlaasSysJack Wolfskin86
299MorganKneiskyCarmeuse Cyclisme85
305FranciscoMatamorosLipton Ice Tea84
306EricBerthouPearl Adidas84
312EmanueleRizzaLipton Ice Tea83
313MauroRichezePearl Adidas83
318MichaelSchärTeam Nespresso82
319NicoSchinkerVesuvio-Accumalux82
321MichaelVingerlingFestina - Corona81
330MattRoweLipton Ice Tea80
333JanHopmanVesuvio-Accumalux80
336BadenCookeDomina Vacanze79
340KevinPeetersLafarge77
341DavidClaereboutVesuvio-Accumalux77
345ChristopheBrandtCarmeuse Cyclisme75
348FabienTaillefourLafarge75
350KristjanFajtTeam Starbucks-Radioshack75
354AndersLundPhilips - TDC73
355MarkusFahnertTeam Starbucks-Radioshack72
357SébastienRosselerWarner Brothers71
360ChristopheLe MévelAuber 93 - Look70
361NielsBrouzesAuber 93 - Look70
362MichaelMørkøvPhilips - TDC70
364AggreySebrightWikipedia70
366DaniloWyssDomina Vacanze69
367Carlos AlbertoOspinaTeam Starbucks-Radioshack69
368GregDe WindeWarner Brothers69
369MarvinVan der PluijmWarner Brothers69
370JosephCooperJack Wolfskin68
373MarcelBarthVesuvio-Accumalux67
376PavelKorzhLafarge65
382BasGilingJack Wolfskin60
384PaulMartensJack Wolfskin60
386ArtjomTimofeevWikipedia60
389DimitriChampionLafarge59
390JurajSaganTeam B&O58
393JensMourisPhilips - TDC57
401SylvainCalzatiWildcard: EL AL - IDF55
409WillemVan Den EyndeCarmeuse Cyclisme50
413ThomasRiber-SellebjergTeam B&O50
421JeanMespoulèdeAuber 93 - Look45
430TeodoroCostagliVesuvio-Accumalux43
432AlexRasmussenTeam B&O41
464SylvainChavanelWildcard: EL AL - IDF32
480KristianSobotaTeam B&O25
495Muhammet Eyüp KaragobekWarner Brothers (S)20
526Lasse NormanHansenTeam Starbucks-Radioshack (S)10
527Gökhan HastaWarner Brothers (S)10
536BriceFeilluWildcard: EL AL - IDF10
537DanielEliadWildcard: EL AL - IDF10
538GregoryRastWildcard: EL AL - IDF10
539IgnasKonovalovasWildcard: EL AL - IDF10
540RomainSicardWildcard: EL AL - IDF10
541SaulRaisinWildcard: EL AL - IDF10
551Baasankhuu MyagmarsurenDomina Vacanze (S)5
552FredyColopEnergie-Diesel (S)5


Teams

Sony Ericsson scored ok, but still La Gazzetta are closing the gap fast. It was certainly a big race for Pearl Adidas behind, theyre up ahead of Festina into 3rd. Theres no huge changes behind, with many teams not able to get much from this race, but Domina edge past Auber.

Further down, Serebriakov leads Philips past Cafe de Colombia. and a much needed result for Nespresso could prove significant in the relegation battle, while Energie-Diesel also managed to gain 44 points on Carmeuse.

11Sony Ericsson7673
22La Gazzetta dello Sport7140
34Pearl Adidas6837
43Festina - Corona6649
55Vesuvio-Accumalux6415
66Wikipedia6039
77Team B&O5967
88Jack Wolfskin5804
910Domina Vacanze5697
109Auber 93 - Look5694
1111Lipton Ice Tea5638
1212Warner Brothers5579
1314Philips - TDC5173
1413Café de Colombia5140
1515Team Nespresso5090
1616Carmeuse Cyclisme4896
1717Energie-Diesel4735
1818Team Starbucks-Radioshack4553
1919Lafarge3770
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Posted on 16-02-2011 13:45
Looks like Energie - Diesel will be the last of the three to demote. The gap on Nespresso is becoming bigger and Carmeuse is likely to take points on them in TONE.

At the top, La Gazzetta isn't going to make it though, i guess. Pearl will probably manage third with Bakelants not likely finishing far away from Ulissi and Sanchez in the hills.
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Posted on 16-02-2011 13:46
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Posted on 16-02-2011 14:29
Yeah my 3rd place hopes probably went out of the window there. I expect Vesuvio to probably outscore me aswell by Schleck, so I just have to hope that I can distance them a bit in TONE, eventhough I doubt I will manage to...
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Posted on 16-02-2011 14:33
SotD wrote:
Yeah my 3rd place hopes probably went out of the window there. I expect Vesuvio to probably outscore me aswell by Schleck, so I just have to hope that I can distance them a bit in TONE, eventhough I doubt I will manage to...


Youll still be 3rd I reckon.

Pearl only really has Bakelandts, I only really have Schleck. You will score points in TONE, and your hill guys are also good at being consistent scorers in the hills. So really, you should be outscoring Pearl in all bar Herbiers, but Fothens not likely to win that anyway.

Schleck would need to win both races to give me a chance of 3rd, and he doesnt have that consistency
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Posted on 16-02-2011 14:44
Yeah I don't think you'll get 3rd either, but I think you just might get 4th... You could potentially get some points in the TT race also. I will definately not.
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