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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 06-02-2010 11:29
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SotD wrote:
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3 Goals is a good amount of goals to get, as a minimum - the teams who shouldnt be looking forward are those who went for the harder goals last year, but have done badly on their goals
I don't remember which goals I chose. I suppose I took medium?
3/5 and quite a lot better in the Overall Rankings than first assumed will give approx the same as this season?
Your rankings goal was Top 10, so yes, you took medium
I think of 3/5 as the average amount, get 4 or 5 and you get a slightly higher budget, but get less and it will lower it. The highest boost you can get from your goals is by doing 5/5 on hard goals, the worst decrease you can get is if you get 0/5 on Hard Goals.
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-02-2010 11:36
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Alright thanks for clearifying that :-)
I'm already thinking about next season that is. Which riders will be realistic to keep and such... Luckily it all looks pretty decent. Not great but pretty good.
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| p3druh |
Posted on 06-02-2010 14:18
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I just hope that the fact that Fothen won the Tour (only overall win so far) makes up for the fact that I couldn't win the Vuelta a Asturias, make the top-10 in Koln and finish the season with 15 stage wins, making me only get 2/5 of my season goals...
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-02-2010 14:20
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Good thing that I didn't have 15 stagewins as a must. I think I have 6 or 7, and I would've never gotten anything close to 15, no matter how I would've put in my riders.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 06-02-2010 14:35
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Those stage win goals were disastrous - asking far too much in hindsight - particularly for PT teams, looking at the data. Only 4 PT teams took 10 or more stage wins: La Gazetta had 28, Wikipedia acheived their goal of 15 wih 18, Warner Brothers had 13 and Domina Vacanze 11.
9 CT teams got 10 or more, but currently only Sony Ericsson (21), Jack Wolfskin (17), 100% Me (17) and Starbucks (15) have passed the medium goal mark, if stage wins was one of their goals
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-02-2010 14:46
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But good thing to get it tested out, and then correcting it in for next season to be more realistic...
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| mrlol |
Posted on 06-02-2010 15:18
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Wow, in terms of stagewins I really crushed everybody this season 
All thanks to Cunego (84 MO), Rogers (85 TT) and mainly Bennati (85 SP) I guess  |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 06-02-2010 15:33
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So we've learnt that MrLol's too good at this game and should get insane goals 
And everyone else sucks to some degree, and should be given lots of money to make up for it... yeah? 
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 06-02-2010 15:34
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Mrlol did actually pick the harder goals - and if he wins Lombardia - he has achieved them all
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-02-2010 16:03
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That is insanely well done. No matter if he wins Lombardia or not.
But you have to say that his riders have all performed to perfection. No shortage of any kind.
You might say that if Contador would've been the top 5 candidate in the Tour and the Giro as I thought, and Hushovd had been able to follow Bennati then we would've had very similar overall points.
The main difference is that Rogers, Cunego, Di Luca, Bennati and Posthuma all performed to their absolute top level, or better while Vinokourov, Santambrogio and Marinangeli probably overperformed quite some times.
My sprinters in general have been hugely dissapointing imo. Thor Hushovd has been good in classics, but in stages he has sucked badly, and neither has van Loocke nor Brea ever been consistant in the sprints.
And then of course. The team is just better due to the Giro supremecy. I had hoped for an almost equal strenght in the Vuelta, but I had to take a chance, and Contador wasn't in, instead Castaño underperformed I think.
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| mrlol |
Posted on 06-02-2010 16:23
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The difference is having a top rider, or (one of) the best rider.
Thats why I mentioned Cunego, Rogers and Bennati. They are among the best in their dicipline.
With all the respect, but you can expect much from Loocke or Brea. Hushovd might've been dissapointing, but he's not of the level of Bennati and Boonen, and then I'm not even mentioning others of the level of Hushovd who can compete with him.
Same for Contador and Castano. They have more riders to compete with at their own level, while it's only Cunego vs. Sella and Schleck, and Rogers vs. Zabriskie, and Bennati vs. Boonen.
And @ rjc; A lot of luck was needed as well Plus the training helped a lot.
But yeah, it's not my first time winning the Pro Tour, so it not completely a lucky shot.
edit; Hold on... it's not over yet. I might be in the best potition to win but... *knock knock* still gotta make it true.
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| niconico |
Posted on 06-02-2010 17:03
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15th, I really needed something better out of that race.
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-02-2010 17:08
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Indeed. Boasson Hagen has really been underperforming this season...
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| niconico |
Posted on 06-02-2010 17:12
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SotD wrote:
Indeed. Boasson Hagen has really been underperforming this season...
Pluchkin aswell, which is why I'm not gonna complete my goal of finishing in the Top 10
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-02-2010 17:38
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I'm not quite sure if I agree with you on Pluchkin. He is 14th in the individual rankings. He's very good indeed, but I could easily find 13 riders I think should do better over an entire season. Most of them are also ahead of him in the rankings, but also riders like Franco Pellizotti could've finished ahead of him with some luck.
Pluchkin has Cunego, Schleck, Schleck, Dekker, Uran and Ricco above him, and he is in direct competition with riders such as Intxausti, Fothen, Popovych, Contador, Kashechkin, Pozzovivo, Gesink and Karpets, and he outperformed most of those guys. I don't think a top 10 individual is a certain for him. But Boasson Hagen should've been up there aswell, safe within top 20, and hopefully also in top 15.
Top 10 Overall would always have been difficult as there is a HUGE gap from those 2 and down to the next best riders in your team. Grivko could from time to another get a decent result, but I don't think that was expected. Next year, however, with Klemme, Keinath, Steensen and Vanoverschelde you should be doing much better.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 06-02-2010 19:02
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Boasson Hagen did a great Ardennes - but Im not sure he should every really have been on the Tour lineup. 21 race days is a lot to spend on a race like that, when you have Pluchkin there who you want to attack on the hilly stages anyway. As it turned out, you were unlucky for Hagen to crash out on Stage 2/3 - making it ~20 race days defiantely wasted.
If Hagen was to do a GT, it shouldnt have been the same GT as Pluchkin
But actually, I do applaud you A_Schleck. You stuck with the same team that won the continental tour, pretty much, and youve survived the season.
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-02-2010 19:06
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Agree with you SN.
Team B&O is by far my favorite, when looking outside my own team.
Also have a slighty softened heart for Philips - Hummel for some reason.
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| dave92 |
Posted on 07-02-2010 16:31
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I am quite happy, as it looks like (assuming a top 10 in chrono des herbiers) i will complete 4 of my 5 medium goals. looking back, I would have completed 3 of the hard goals, but with the 2nd place finish and an extra 1.5 million (if my memory serves me right) I am quite looking forward to my budget.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 07-02-2010 16:47
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Yes, you still had 1.5 million left over - despite spending 5.5 on training
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| dave92 |
Posted on 07-02-2010 16:52
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oh yes, i remember coming out of transfers having turned a profit. That was the root of my success imo.
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