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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 14:47
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Dancycling wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Fair enough, but his performance didn't exactly have a decline in the 3rd week.
Either way, I believe in making stats based on actual results, not what they could have been. that's what makes the game realistic.
Be careful because if you say this, Talansky could be impacted as he has not performed well in the Tour, disregarding crashes. 
But he still won Dauphine, so 78 mtn is good for him.
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| jarneke1404 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 17:20
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How much does Kittel deserve on MO and HIL? in my game he is 57MO 63HIL. Is that too high? |
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| gravus |
Posted on 25-07-2014 17:24
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jarneke1404 wrote:
How much does Kittel deserve on MO and HIL? in my game he is 57MO 63HIL. Is that too high?
50MO 50HIL |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 25-07-2014 17:29
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jarneke1404 wrote:
How much does Kittel deserve on MO and HIL? in my game he is 57MO 63HIL. Is that too high?
Too low. He should probably be somewhere on 60 MO and 64-65 HIL currently, in my opinion.
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| roturn |
Posted on 25-07-2014 17:36
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gravus wrote:
jarneke1404 wrote:
How much does Kittel deserve on MO and HIL? in my game he is 57MO 63HIL. Is that too high?
50MO 50HIL
Keep in mind that he needs a bit of a value to survive a GT.
And on flat/hillier flat stages his mo stat will have in almost any stage zero impact. So having him on 60mo won`t give him any advantage in his stages but will give him the chance to survive a GT.
Hill is more arguably I guess as this stat also plays a role on sprint stages. But somewhere in the middle 60`s is probably okay. |
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| Cossack |
Posted on 25-07-2014 18:33
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Fair enough, but his performance didn't exactly have a decline in the 3rd week.
Being caught by Aru during the Mountain TT wasn't any show of decline?
On the final stage (Zoncolan) he seemed to be a bit better but since Val Martello he was complaining about his illness, he even sent a message to Polish commentators apologising for his disappointing performance, that because of it he cannot ride as he could otherwise.
Edited by Cossack on 25-07-2014 18:35
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 18:47
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Cossack wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Fair enough, but his performance didn't exactly have a decline in the 3rd week.
Being caught by Aru during the Mountain TT wasn't any show of decline?
On the final stage (Zoncolan) he seemed to be a bit better but since Val Martello he was complaining about his illness, he even sent a message to Polish commentators apologising for his disappointing performance, that because of it he cannot ride as he could otherwise.
Aru rode like a crazy psycho killer that day.
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| Dusen |
Posted on 25-07-2014 19:15
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Im the only one thinking that Kittel should get som sort of stat reducing?
The man can sprint for the first 3-4 stages and then he is dead for the rest of a tour? Dunno how to fix that in the right way, but holy cow that man have been useless for his team since his third win. |
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| madzdaman |
Posted on 25-07-2014 19:17
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Dusen wrote:
Im the only one thinking that Kittel should get som sort of stat reducing?
The man can sprint for the first 3-4 stages and then he is dead for the rest of a tour? Dunno how to fix that in the right way, but holy cow that man have been useless for his team since his third win.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 19:17
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Dusen wrote:
Im the only one thinking that Kittel should get som sort of stat reducing?
The man can sprint for the first 3-4 stages and then he is dead for the rest of a tour? Dunno how to fix that in the right way, but holy cow that man have been useless for his team since his third win.
Hasn't been a matter of not sprinting fast though.
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| Dusen |
Posted on 25-07-2014 19:20
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Im the only one thinking that Kittel should get som sort of stat reducing?
The man can sprint for the first 3-4 stages and then he is dead for the rest of a tour? Dunno how to fix that in the right way, but holy cow that man have been useless for his team since his third win.
Hasn't been a matter of not sprinting fast though.
I know. But where to cut him then? On the hills perhaps?
Maybe his RES.
Not sure if major changes should be made based on a poor 2 and 3 week of the tour, but surely a decrease in hill could be a possibility |
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| kida |
Posted on 25-07-2014 19:52
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Arberg27 wrote:
83: Froome
82: Quintana, Contador
81: Nibali, Rodriguez,
80: Valverde, Kreuziger, Porte
Porte shouldn't be an 80, he should be 76 at most. With an 80 MO you could win a GT with him, something he isn't going to do IRL. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 25-07-2014 19:55
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Porte 76?
Don't you think that's a tad extreme, looking at TdF '13, for example?
Just needs terrible REC(and 79MO)
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| kida |
Posted on 25-07-2014 19:59
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Jesleyh wrote:
Porte 76?
Don't you think that's a tad extreme, looking at TdF '13, for example?
Just needs terrible REC(and 79MO)
He's ridden 6 GT's before this TdF started. He finished 7th in the 2010 Giro and IMO that was helped by being in the break. He finished 19th last year but aside from that he's finished 81,72,89,68 in GT's. I'll give you his positions in week long stage races are better. So maybe you're right when you say 79MO but a low(ish) REC stat.
Edited by kida on 25-07-2014 20:00
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| lakebeach |
Posted on 25-07-2014 20:13
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kida wrote:
He's ridden 6 GT's before this TdF started. He finished 7th in the 2010 Giro and IMO that was helped by being in the break. He finished 19th last year but aside from that he's finished 81,72,89,68 in GT's. I'll give you his positions in week long stage races are better. So maybe you're right when you say 79MO but a low(ish) REC stat.
You can't decide his mountain stat only looking at his results as a team mate. He has only had two opportunities riding for himself in GT's, Giro 2010 and Tour 2014. He has served as a team mate in the rest of the grand tours he's ridden.
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| kida |
Posted on 25-07-2014 20:28
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lakebeach wrote:
kida wrote:
He's ridden 6 GT's before this TdF started. He finished 7th in the 2010 Giro and IMO that was helped by being in the break. He finished 19th last year but aside from that he's finished 81,72,89,68 in GT's. I'll give you his positions in week long stage races are better. So maybe you're right when you say 79MO but a low(ish) REC stat.
You can't decide his mountain stat only looking at his results as a team mate. He has only had two opportunities riding for himself in GT's, Giro 2010 and Tour 2014. He has served as a team mate in the rest of the grand tours he's ridden.
Ok let me see if I'm on the same page as you:
You can't use results to come up with stats unless the results were gained when the rider was riding for himself and not as a team mate.
I mean you want to give Porte an 80 for climbing because he finished 7th when he was riding for himself(he's riding for himself at the moment and he's getting beaten by Ben Gastauer, who's working for other riders). So F/E Gadret, Mollema, Gesink should have a higher MO stat because they've finished higher than Porte in a GT whilst riding as leaders.
Am I on the right page?
Edited by kida on 25-07-2014 20:33
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 20:38
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His recovery needs to be REALLY bad. No giving him low 70s and calling it poor. Mid 60s recovery and 79 mtn.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 20:47
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Jesleyh wrote:
Porte 76?
Don't you think that's a tad extreme, looking at TdF '13, for example?
Just needs terrible REC(and 79MO)
Porte 78 at most. He's never proven himself to be amazing apart from on maybe a handful of days working as a teammate which we know is different from riding for yourself. He's done almost nothing this year and 79 would mean he on the same level as basically the podium of this Tour which is just inaccurate as hell. I mean he's been so bad this Tour it as if he has been dropping back to fight on a later mountain but the same thing keeps happening, he just keeps doing absolutely terrible on the climbs.
He is good on hills though.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 20:50
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True he never made a move after he boinked. Never saved it for later. Never redeemed anything.
78 mtn, 64 recovery.
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| Dusen |
Posted on 25-07-2014 21:01
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baseballlover312 wrote:
True he never made a move after he boinked. Never saved it for later. Never redeemed anything.
78 mtn, 64 recovery.
I think that is a good portray of Porte.
He can still play a part in mountain stages in small stage races but will be in trouble in grand tours |
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