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Café Pedro 2: Revenge of the Portuguese
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 02-05-2011 11:57
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Crommy wrote:
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What sounds weird to me is that Bush or others call it Justice. Sorry but that's revenge, not justice. It's not the same thing...
This.
Sorry but I have to stick up for my country on this one. This is justice for the thousands of people that he killed in 9-11. And for all the other soldiers that died in war. I may not agree that going to war was good for this country. But his death is, no question, Justice for our citizens that have lost loved ones.
USA - USA - USA
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| jack888 |
Posted on 02-05-2011 12:11
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I thought the war was about trying to wipe out Al Quaeda and prevent more terrorist attacks on western countries?
If the point of going to war was to kill one man, yes that is revenge.
I can understand why americans are happy this c*** is dead. But why are there people chanting USA-USA? |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 02-05-2011 12:27
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They have spent 9 years sending their soldiers into a dessert wasteland with the aim of killing Osama. Celebrations are probably in order, especially as there has been so little success in the last few years
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-05-2011 12:27
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Mresuperstar wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
What sounds weird to me is that Bush or others call it Justice. Sorry but that's revenge, not justice. It's not the same thing...
This.
Sorry but I have to stick up for my country on this one. This is justice for the thousands of people that he killed in 9-11. And for all the other soldiers that died in war. I may not agree that going to war was good for this country. But his death is, no question, Justice for our citizens that have lost loved ones.
USA - USA - USA Well, how would you define revenge and how would you define Justice ? |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 02-05-2011 12:34
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Mresuperstar wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
What sounds weird to me is that Bush or others call it Justice. Sorry but that's revenge, not justice. It's not the same thing...
This.
Sorry but I have to stick up for my country on this one. This is justice for the thousands of people that he killed in 9-11. And for all the other soldiers that died in war. I may not agree that going to war was good for this country. But his death is, no question, Justice for our citizens that have lost loved ones.
USA - USA - USA
Yes, and he's the head of the organisation that killed 52 innocent people that died in my country in the 7/7 bombings. And I imagine the families of the innocent civilians make take some small comfort that he is dead. But that doesn't change that killing him without a trial is a revenge killing, not justice.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-05-2011 12:38
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Bin Laden has been suddenly found and killed, and then buried at the sea? At the sea? And with barely any evidence (the only photo I've seen of his supposed dead body it's an obvious fake).
I'm sorry, but this smells like BS. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 02-05-2011 12:45
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kumazan wrote:
Bin Laden has been suddenly found and killed, and then buried at the sea? At the sea? And with barely any evidence (the only photo I've seen of his supposed dead body it's an obvious fake).
I'm sorry, but this smells like BS.
If they were lying, do you really think Al-Qaeda wouldn't release evidence he was still alive?
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| roturn |
Posted on 02-05-2011 12:46
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kumazan wrote:
Bin Laden has been suddenly found and killed, and then buried at the sea? At the sea? And with barely any evidence (the only photo I've seen of his supposed dead body it's an obvious fake).
I'm sorry, but this smells like BS.
Thanks. Thought exactly the same. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-05-2011 12:57
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Crommy wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Bin Laden has been suddenly found and killed, and then buried at the sea? At the sea? And with barely any evidence (the only photo I've seen of his supposed dead body it's an obvious fake).
I'm sorry, but this smells like BS.
If they were lying, do you really think Al-Qaeda wouldn't release evidence he was still alive?
When has Al-Qaeda released evidence for anything?
I don't want to sound as a crazy conspiracy theorist, but the whole Bin Laden story is quite strange. One would think that, after ten years (!) of persecution by the biggest armed forces of the world, the US Army would have bothered to release photos/other evidence.
I could be wrong, so I'll wait to see if some definitive evidence is released, but I can't help but feel that the whole truth is not being told. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 02-05-2011 13:01
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kumazan wrote:
Crommy wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Bin Laden has been suddenly found and killed, and then buried at the sea? At the sea? And with barely any evidence (the only photo I've seen of his supposed dead body it's an obvious fake).
I'm sorry, but this smells like BS.
If they were lying, do you really think Al-Qaeda wouldn't release evidence he was still alive?
When has Al-Qaeda released evidence for anything?
Bin Laden has released several tapes to prove he is alive over the years.
And showing Bin Laden is alive after the infidels have told everyone they've killed him?
It would be quite a coup for an organisation that seeks to brand the West as liars, immoral etc.
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| jack888 |
Posted on 02-05-2011 13:10
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At first i thought it could be BS, and will be waiting for the evidence before definitely concluding he is dead.
The US have claimed to kill him and dump the body in the middle of nowhere, but they aren't using that as an excuse for not having evidence, in fact they probably have evidence and will release it soon enough. It's just a matter of how much they choose to release, currently there have been claims that a DNA sample from the body came up as a positive match.
Also, concerning the body. It would be hard enough finding a country willing to accept his remains, let alone within 24 hours (apparently a muslim tradition). If the body is dumped in the ocean, Al Quaeda can't have/use it, they can't build a shrine, people can't celebrate his life ect... It would seem like a very smart move.
It's always good to question the claims at this stage. But there is a little more too it than mentioned above.
As for the photo going around. That is an obvious fake and has been going around for years. It's just the stupid-as-f*** mainstream media telling everyone the photo is real.
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| roturn |
Posted on 02-05-2011 13:11
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There are thousands or conspiracies around. One of them is the official American version of the Osama Bin Laden story imo. The truth might be somewhere in between.
But what if he was just one of America`s tool to get the crowd behind their politics. Always when they needed him the most, they had a new tape of him etc.
I don`t want to say that these conspiracies are my opinion. But I also don`t believe in the official versions with 9/11 and the whole persecution.
As Kumazan said, I am also very sceptical about the way they hide everything now. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 02-05-2011 13:23
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roturn wrote:
But what if he was just one of America`s tool to get the crowd behind their politics. Always when they needed him the most, they had a new tape of him etc.
I don`t want to say that these conspiracies are my opinion. But I also don`t believe in the official versions with 9/11 and the whole persecution.
Just...wow 
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| roturn |
Posted on 02-05-2011 13:27
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As said: Not my opinion, but one randomly chosen of thousands of conspiracies. Don`t understand me wrong.
I just wanted to say that I don`t believe in everything the US government said after 9/11 or their reasons to start the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan.
And as OBL was always one of their reasons to start all these things it`s quite unbelievable that they haven`t shown any evidence that this guy even exists. Alone to "kill" all these extreme conspiracies.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 02-05-2011 13:35
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My reason for that statement is you seem to suggest that these theories could have a significant degree of truth. I especially find the 9/11 one particularly offensive with the theories so ridiculed and debunked no reasonable person should have any reason to believe of their truth.
The war in Iraq had 0 to do with Al Qaeda. And yes, I doubt the claims of the reason for the Iraq war. With Afghanistan though, the reasons were thoroughly clear and genuine.
I'd imagine evidence will be coming, and whilst I admire scepticism (it's healthy), if you consider how audacious a lie this is (and how easily it could be disproved and the loss this would incur to the Obama administration).
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| roturn |
Posted on 02-05-2011 14:20
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Let`s say that I believe in 3/4 of the story told by the government.
OBL was a Al Qaeda terrorist responsible for lots of terrorism acts.
Never made a connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Just said that their reasons to enter Iraq weren`t really true. As far as I know many people already confirmed that the start was overreacted and they never found the factories they expected there due to non existing proves.
But there are still several things happened especially under Bush that are still quite unknown.
I don`t believe in all the facts by Michael Moore btw. but some things are kept secret and this gives of course room for conspiracies.
I agree that 99% of all conspiracies won`t be true and by far too extreme.
So I really hope there will be evidences. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 02-05-2011 14:35
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I believe in much less than 3/4 of stories told by governments 
But your position is reasonable. And wikileaks is helping with the transparency issues, especially with the Bush era
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-05-2011 15:24
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It's all lies. Bin Laden is actually being held in a hospital in Cleveland
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 02-05-2011 16:07
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Crommy wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Crommy wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Bin Laden has been suddenly found and killed, and then buried at the sea? At the sea? And with barely any evidence (the only photo I've seen of his supposed dead body it's an obvious fake).
I'm sorry, but this smells like BS.
If they were lying, do you really think Al-Qaeda wouldn't release evidence he was still alive?
When has Al-Qaeda released evidence for anything?
Bin Laden has released several tapes to prove he is alive over the years.
And showing Bin Laden is alive after the infidels have told everyone they've killed him?
It would be quite a coup for an organisation that seeks to brand the West as liars, immoral etc.
none of the tapes released can be accurately dated. it is quite possible that the videos were recorded years ago and released after his death to keep the Americans searching.
some tapes can't even prove it is actually Bin Laden in them!
I choose to wait and see before i decide if it is true.
I do believe Bin Laden is dead.
I don't beleave that the Americans killed him yesterday and disposed of his body with no-one else knowing and with no actual evidence.
Smells like perfect timing for an re-election campaign |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 02-05-2011 16:26
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ringo182 wrote:
none of the tapes released can be accurately dated. it is quite possible that the videos were recorded years ago and released after his death to keep the Americans searching.
They reference recent events.
some tapes can't even prove it is actually Bin Laden in them!
True. It is very hard to identify audio, although experts attribute at least some of the recent ones to Bin Laden.
I choose to wait and see before i decide if it is true.
That's a good policy
I don't beleave that the Americans killed him yesterday and disposed of his body with no-one else knowing and with no actual evidence.
Smells like perfect timing for an re-election campaign
The next presidential elections are in November 2012. As are the next Senate elections. As are the next House of Representatives elections. Obama doesn't need to run a Democrat presidential nomination election campaign. So this is nowhere near perfect timing.
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