Jesleyh wrote:
Provisionally, we have:
Quintana on 82 with high REC instead of 83.
Pinot 80, Peraud 80, Majka 79, Valv 79
Valv lower then Pinot and Peraud after being marginally slower then them in the mountains in _one_ tour? He should be on atleast the same MO stat as them given his (pretty recent) history, can't just judge on one tour.
Edit: And as said, Majka is still a 78 MO guy, can't just forget his Giro after a few good climbs in the tour, if Majka is 79 then Aru should be 80...
Edited by gotlandrules on 24-07-2014 17:06
Just to remind you. Majka crashed quite heavily in the Giro and was in doubts of continuing the race. He did continue. Then he got a stomach bug (before the Val Martello stage) and had to suffer through the mountain TT. If it wasn't for that TT he would be on the podium (or very close to Aru at least, as the were on same time bofore the TT and Majka outclimbed him on Zoncolan). So Majka 79 at least for me. No way he keeps up with the top guys (bar Nibali) with 77/78.
bajbar wrote:
Just to remind you. Majka crashed quite heavily in the Giro and was in doubts of continuing the race. He did continue. Then he got a stomach bug (before the Val Martello stage) and had to suffer through the mountain TT. If it wasn't for that TT he would be on the podium (or very close to Aru at least, as the were on same time bofore the TT and Majka outclimbed him on Zoncolan). So Majka 79 at least for me. No way he keeps up with the top guys (bar Nibali) with 77/78.
The top guys? Like Van Garderen, who is and will be 78? He's only done that once anyway, others were breaks. With the way outsiders can do well in PCM 14, i don't see thew problem with it.
Honestly with the Daily stats so out of wack in my opinion, IDK if there will be a single good DB this year...
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
Peraud 79 for me, but high REC. Valv 79 (maybe even 78) but lower REC and Majka 78. I dont care about these arguments people make about beating the top GC guys. He wasn't racing for the GC, so he will be a lot fresher. Lets not forget he started his stage wins on the climbs before all the other favourites and it should be considered that he was being caught by all the GC guys then. Its not like he was pulling away.
Although if Quintana is on 82, I'd have Nibali at 81 and then no one else from this tour higher than a 79 (Pinot/Peraud) 78 (Valv)
valverde321 wrote:
Peraud 79 for me, but high REC. Valv 79 (maybe even 78) but lower REC and Majka 78. I dont care about these arguments people make about beating the top GC guys. He wasn't racing for the GC, so he will be a lot fresher. Lets not forget he started his stage wins on the climbs before all the other favourites and it should be considered that he was being caught by all the GC guys then. Its not like he was pulling away.
Although if Quintana is on 82, I'd have Nibali at 81 and then no one else from this tour higher than a 79 (Pinot/Peraud) 78 (Valv)
Agree with all of this except that i would have Valverde also at 79.
valverde321 wrote:
Peraud 79 for me, but high REC. Valv 79 (maybe even 78) but lower REC and Majka 78. I dont care about these arguments people make about beating the top GC guys. He wasn't racing for the GC, so he will be a lot fresher. Lets not forget he started his stage wins on the climbs before all the other favourites and it should be considered that he was being caught by all the GC guys then. Its not like he was pulling away.
Although if Quintana is on 82, I'd have Nibali at 81 and then no one else from this tour higher than a 79 (Pinot/Peraud) 78 (Valv)
Agree with all of this except that i would have Valverde also at 79.
He'd still have a very high (the highest?) hill stat of all the GC riders so if the ratio wasn't 100% mountain he'd be strong, much like real life actually. It pains me to say, but the first week he wasn't that strong. 2nd week looked okay, maybe like he was building form for the 3rd week, but 3rd week he just looked way too tired. I suppose that would play more in to REC and he did actually attack on the descent today which may or may not have tired him out for the Hautacam. (If we are using the logic that Sagan wont drop to a 78 sprint just because he attacked on the descent and later got beaten by 75-ish sprinters in a small bunch sprint)
Edit: The more I think, 79 does make more sense.
But Im not going to get into Sagan deserving 78 SPR instead of 79 Edited by valverde321 on 24-07-2014 18:02
valverde321 wrote:
Peraud 79 for me, but high REC. Valv 79 (maybe even 78) but lower REC and Majka 78. I dont care about these arguments people make about beating the top GC guys. He wasn't racing for the GC, so he will be a lot fresher. Lets not forget he started his stage wins on the climbs before all the other favourites and it should be considered that he was being caught by all the GC guys then. Its not like he was pulling away.
Although if Quintana is on 82, I'd have Nibali at 81 and then no one else from this tour higher than a 79 (Pinot/Peraud) 78 (Valv)
Agree with all of this except that i would have Valverde also at 79.
Valverde followed Nibali pretty good in the first and a half week so maybe lower (REC), of course the climbs were not the hardest but he is going for the Vuelta as well so take that into consideration against riders who goes all in for the tour like Pinot and Peraud and he was third last year.
Edited by Naskela on 24-07-2014 18:02
valverde321 wrote:
Peraud 79 for me, but high REC. Valv 79 (maybe even 78) but lower REC and Majka 78. I dont care about these arguments people make about beating the top GC guys. He wasn't racing for the GC, so he will be a lot fresher. Lets not forget he started his stage wins on the climbs before all the other favourites and it should be considered that he was being caught by all the GC guys then. Its not like he was pulling away.
Although if Quintana is on 82, I'd have Nibali at 81 and then no one else from this tour higher than a 79 (Pinot/Peraud) 78 (Valv)
Majka's wins came from the breakaway, but on both stages he won time on everybody but Nibali and Peraud who then was smart enough to wheelsuck Nibali.
Plus being in a breakaway automatically removes freshness. Don't forget he had the Giro in his legs The only stage you can use as an argument is stage 13 where he was well rested and still was beating guys (well maybe not him but Konig ) even after Nibali's attack.
Edited by dark_x2012 on 24-07-2014 18:04
valverde321 wrote:
Peraud 79 for me, but high REC. Valv 79 (maybe even 78) but lower REC and Majka 78. I dont care about these arguments people make about beating the top GC guys. He wasn't racing for the GC, so he will be a lot fresher. Lets not forget he started his stage wins on the climbs before all the other favourites and it should be considered that he was being caught by all the GC guys then. Its not like he was pulling away.
Although if Quintana is on 82, I'd have Nibali at 81 and then no one else from this tour higher than a 79 (Pinot/Peraud) 78 (Valv)
Majka's wins came from the breakaway, but on both stages he won time on everybody but Nibali and Peraud who then was smart enough to wheelsuck Nibali. Plus being in a breakaway automatically removes freshness. Don't forget he had the Giro in his legs The only stage you can use as an argument is stage 13 where he was well rested and still was beating guys (well maybe not him but Konig ) even after Nibali's attack.
Not if you just sit in the group of 20 riders for the first 3/4 of the stage....
And Majka pretty much sat on Konig's wheel all the way up that climb. Im pretty sure Konig doesn't have 79 MO either. He certainly didn't seem superiour to Konig on that day.
valverde321 wrote:
Peraud 79 for me, but high REC. Valv 79 (maybe even 78) but lower REC and Majka 78. I dont care about these arguments people make about beating the top GC guys. He wasn't racing for the GC, so he will be a lot fresher. Lets not forget he started his stage wins on the climbs before all the other favourites and it should be considered that he was being caught by all the GC guys then. Its not like he was pulling away.
Although if Quintana is on 82, I'd have Nibali at 81 and then no one else from this tour higher than a 79 (Pinot/Peraud) 78 (Valv)
Majka's wins came from the breakaway, but on both stages he won time on everybody but Nibali and Peraud who then was smart enough to wheelsuck Nibali. Plus being in a breakaway automatically removes freshness. Don't forget he had the Giro in his legs The only stage you can use as an argument is stage 13 where he was well rested and still was beating guys (well maybe not him but Konig ) even after Nibali's attack.
Not if you just sit in the group of 20 riders for the first 3/4 of the stage....
And Majka pretty much sat on Konig's wheel all the way up that climb. Im pretty sure Konig doesn't have 79 MO either. He certainly didn't seem superiour to Konig on that day.
And the others don't sit in the peleton by that logic
I can be wrong, but i don't think so : In my game, there is no difference between the REC stats, to prove that, i set the REC stat of Porte to 55 , which is not very overrated and he still ends 2nd in the tour
Edited by jarneke1404 on 24-07-2014 18:59
With the highest stat now being 83, my stats would look like this:
83 - Quintana, Contador and Froome
82 - Nibali
81 - Rodriguez,
80 - Kreuziger
79 - Majka, Uran, Valverde, Peraud, Porte, Aru, Rolland and Pinot
78 - Talansky, Kelderman, Bardet, Tejay, Pozzovivo and Betancur
Some stats are very difficult I feel. Not sure whether Peraud deserves 80, Fuglsang is 78 or Tejay 79. Kreuziger is maybe 79, idk, but I feel like some of you are too fast to forget some rider just because they arent racing/not is 100% at all. Mollema, Fuglsang and Martin could also all have gotten 78, dno.
The only stage you can use as an argument is stage 13 where he was well rested and still was beating guys (well maybe not him but Konig 
) even after Nibali's attack.
and he still ends 2nd in the tour
