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| ruben |
Posted on 23-07-2007 20:11
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talking about contador, he's under fire by the suddeutsche zeitung, stating that, from reports of spanish police, it seems contador was cleared off the fuentes list because he helped the investigiation himself... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2007 20:19
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Ruben wrote:suddeutsche zeitung
is that a newspaper or similar? I don't recognize the word "zeitung". my german isn't very good. |
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| Immortal |
Posted on 23-07-2007 20:37
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issoisso wrote:
is that a newspaper or similar? I don't recognize the word "zeitung". my german isn't very good.
Yes, zeitung means newspaper  Looks like the hope about actually getting a clean winner this year will be hard  |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 23-07-2007 20:42
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Immortal wrote:
issoisso wrote:
is that a newspaper or similar? I don't recognize the word "zeitung". my german isn't very good.
Yes, zeitung means newspaper Looks like the hope about actually getting a clean winner this year will be hard
It's never easy this year for any big tour. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2007 20:52
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Immortal wrote:
issoisso wrote:
is that a newspaper or similar? I don't recognize the word "zeitung". my german isn't very good.
Yes, zeitung means newspaper Looks like the hope about actually getting a clean winner this year will be hard
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-07-2007 22:50
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McQuaid tonight on Dutch TV:
"Rasmussen has done nothing wrong and he can not be pulled out of the Tour. That's impossible according to the regulations" |
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| benna |
Posted on 23-07-2007 23:14
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Looking forwards to wednesday. I think Mayo will attack in front of many, many thousands of spanish guys in SDV-shirts. The HC at the end will be very interesting, but Contador will take some time on Rasmussen. Thats my tip |
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| vergadain |
Posted on 23-07-2007 23:52
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Crommy wrote:
I'd agree - after his fall, he took a long time to recover, and was way out of it - so he put everything into the TT, as he was no longer going for the GC, just stage wins - then he just relaxed and recovered the day after, then he had the strength again today
Yes and No in my opinion.
I don't think his recovery or lack there of is to do with his fall earlier in the race. Perhaps his explosiveness and over exertion is an indirect consequence though as he over spends himself trying to make up the cost of the fall earlier in the race.
He launched a massive attack and tried to blow the peloton away in Stage 11 just after 5k mark but was dragged back in - that was a damn fast stage and the attack no doubt burnt him up, it showed the next day Stage 12 had him finishing at 76. At the end of stage 13 he felt that he was back after a brilliant time trial. He didn't go into stage 14 with the intent to relax and he tried in stage 14 but just didn't have his legs and so was forced to build up his strength.
Yesterday he tried just as hard and had his legs. |
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| vergadain |
Posted on 24-07-2007 06:04
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Ruben wrote:
McQuaid tonight on Dutch TV:
"Rasmussen has done nothing wrong and he can not be pulled out of the Tour. That's impossible according to the regulations"
He has done some things wrong, he's breached ICU administrative regulations but he hasn't been found guilty of doping.
Quoting from AFP
""He was tested randomly on June 30 at his national championships. Then he was tested when his team carried out a control on July 3. His blood was then tested by the UCI on July 5, along with the rest of the peloton.
"Again, he underwent a random blood test on July 17 when he won his stage in Tignes. He has also had urine samples tested on July 15, 17, 18 and 19."
That to me suggests he's clean. |
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| litllemagnum |
Posted on 24-07-2007 12:03
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vergadain wrote:
Crommy wrote:
I'd agree - after his fall, he took a long time to recover, and was way out of it - so he put everything into the TT, as he was no longer going for the GC, just stage wins - then he just relaxed and recovered the day after, then he had the strength again today
Yes and No in my opinion.
I don't think his recovery or lack there of is to do with his fall earlier in the race. Perhaps his explosiveness and over exertion is an indirect consequence though as he over spends himself trying to make up the cost of the fall earlier in the race.
He launched a massive attack and tried to blow the peloton away in Stage 11 just after 5k mark but was dragged back in - that was a damn fast stage and the attack no doubt burnt him up, it showed the next day Stage 12 had him finishing at 76. At the end of stage 13 he felt that he was back after a brilliant time trial. He didn't go into stage 14 with the intent to relax and he tried in stage 14 but just didn't have his legs and so was forced to build up his strength.
Yesterday he tried just as hard and had his legs.
he said in an interview that the fall messed up his recuperation system |
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| litllemagnum |
Posted on 24-07-2007 12:03
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vergadain wrote:
Crommy wrote:
I'd agree - after his fall, he took a long time to recover, and was way out of it - so he put everything into the TT, as he was no longer going for the GC, just stage wins - then he just relaxed and recovered the day after, then he had the strength again today
Yes and No in my opinion.
I don't think his recovery or lack there of is to do with his fall earlier in the race. Perhaps his explosiveness and over exertion is an indirect consequence though as he over spends himself trying to make up the cost of the fall earlier in the race.
He launched a massive attack and tried to blow the peloton away in Stage 11 just after 5k mark but was dragged back in - that was a damn fast stage and the attack no doubt burnt him up, it showed the next day Stage 12 had him finishing at 76. At the end of stage 13 he felt that he was back after a brilliant time trial. He didn't go into stage 14 with the intent to relax and he tried in stage 14 but just didn't have his legs and so was forced to build up his strength.
Yesterday he tried just as hard and had his legs.
he said in an interview that the fall messed up his recuperation system |
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 24-07-2007 12:43
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issoisso wrote:
I was only making a point about last year's story repeating itself (guy given lee-way and then turns contender) and about him most likely not winning without that same leeway.
You've said it a couple of times. I just don't think you can compare the two. The difference between twenty-something and three should be obvious. Of course Rasmussen was given a major advantage - but he lost a serious amount of energy as well.
Besides... Tactical preference almost always decide the Grand Tours. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 24-07-2007 13:02
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vergadain wrote:
Ruben wrote:
McQuaid tonight on Dutch TV:
"Rasmussen has done nothing wrong and he can not be pulled out of the Tour. That's impossible according to the regulations"
He has done some things wrong, he's breached ICU administrative regulations but he hasn't been found guilty of doping.
Quoting from AFP
""He was tested randomly on June 30 at his national championships. Then he was tested when his team carried out a control on July 3. His blood was then tested by the UCI on July 5, along with the rest of the peloton.
"Again, he underwent a random blood test on July 17 when he won his stage in Tignes. He has also had urine samples tested on July 15, 17, 18 and 19."
That to me suggests he's clean. Yes, but he has done nothing wrong to be expelled out of the Tour I mean. If McQuaid (highest boss of uci) says that.... then that's it |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 24-07-2007 13:12
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Leading in TdF is like running for US president. They dig on your past so long..still they find something to push. |
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| SonDaan |
Posted on 24-07-2007 17:10
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Anybody seen this:
It's in French:
Info L'Equipe : Le Kazakh Alexandre Vinokourov, 33 ans, leader de l'équipe Astana, a été contrôlé positif aux transfusions homologues samedi 21 juillet à l'issue du contre-la-montre individuel du Tour de France qu'il a remporté à Albi. Le prélèvement sanguin opéré à l'arrivée a démontré, après analyse au sein du laboratoire de Châtenay-Malabry, la présence de deux populations distinctes de globules rouges dans l'échantillon A. Ce qui, en clair, signifie que Vinokourov a eu recours à une transfusion homologue très peu de temps avant l'étape, en utilisant le sang d'un donneur compatible (groupe sanguin et rhésus).
Le coureur d'Astana, vis-à -vis duquel l'Union Cycliste Internationale, par la voix de son président Pat McQuaid, avait manifesté sa défiance après qu'il avait avoué travailler avec le sulfureux docteur Michele Ferrari, a subi avant-hier lundi, en fin d'après-midi, un nouveau contrôle sanguin après sa deuxième victoire lors de la 15e étape à Loudenvielle-Le Louron. Ce nouveau prélèvement est actuellement en cours d'analyse à Châtenay-Malabry et devrait confirmer le premier résultat positif dès demain, puisque les deux populations de globules rouges seront encore observées.
Les transfusions homologues, à la différences des autologues (le propre sang de l'athlète lui est transfusé), sont détectables depuis les Jeux Olympiques d'Athènes, en 2004, par le biais d'une méthode mise au point par le laboratoire de Lausanne (LAD). L'Américain Tyler Hamilton a été le premier cycliste à être contrôlé positif de la sorte lors de la Vuelta 2004.
Philippe LE GARS et Damien RESSIOT
PS : suite à cette révélation, la formation Astana, dont il était le leader, a décidé de quitter le Tour.
Source: www.Lequipe.fr
It means that Alexandre Vinokourov has tested postitif at the use of Blood-Dopage(or how you say that in English but i'm sure you'll understand it)...!
+ Team Astana abbandons the Tour de France
Edited by SonDaan on 24-07-2007 17:14
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 24-07-2007 17:12
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issoisso has just started a thread about it, about 1 min ago
not as detailed as that, but in english (all 10 words )
YORKSHIRE BORN, YORKSHIRE BRED... |
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| SonDaan |
Posted on 24-07-2007 17:15
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'm sorry! shall i Delete it? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2007 17:15
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SonDaan wrote:
'm sorry! shall i Delete it?
no way. just come chat in the other thread |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 24-07-2007 17:17
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no need to delete as isso says
YORKSHIRE BORN, YORKSHIRE BRED... |
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 24-07-2007 21:47
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My prediction for Stage 16: Gusev and Popo in early breakaway. First HC climb, Levi attacks the peloton and joins Gusev and Popo. In the breakaway, they ride away. Rabobank burns it matches trying to chase. On the first 1 category climb, popo and gusev dig deep for levi. 2nd cat 1 climb, levi ditches them. Peloton is in dissarray with rabobank killing themselves. Levi goes up the final climb and wins the stage!
Rasmussen tires himself on the final climb, Contador explodes and creates distance.
Levi and Contador are separated by 40 seconds going into the final time trial! |
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