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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 15-11-2013 17:49
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The thread for difficult topics is ment for discussions on religion, politics, ethnicity, etc.
I hardly see how a debate on the origin of languages is controversial (allthough it can very well be).
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 15-11-2013 18:11
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A discussion on religion or politics doesn't have to be controversial, it just normally ends up being like that. When does it become difficult, that is the question? |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 15-11-2013 18:17
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The Hobbit wrote:
A discussion on religion or politics doesn't have to be controversial, it just normally ends up being like that. When does it become difficult, that is the question?
Difficult =/= Controversial
And neither is the evolution of language philosophical. It's well known and proven. You could discuss what 'is' language if you like, but i doubt anyone would join in 
Speaking of languages (pun intended) just realized i also speak some Ancient Egyptian. As in i can, and have, translated several passages, tablets etc. before and still can write hieroglyphics... which is pretty awesome
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-11-2013 18:22
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Funny that you wrote "realize", being an English person. 
If I've gotten my facts right : the -se form is more common in Britain, except for scientific publications, but the -ze form is closer to its Greek root. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 15-11-2013 18:32
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Aquarius wrote:
Funny that you wrote "reali ze", being an English person.
If I've gotten my facts right : the -se form is more common in Britain, except for scientific publications, but the -ze form is closer to its Greek root.
The z comes from Firefox, an American program. It underlines all s things like realise, organise etc. That said i do use Americanizations fairly often such as color instead of colour, and favorite instead of favourite.
And yes the -ze could be seen as closer to traditional Greek set up, but equally the Greeks took it from certain Egyptian roots. In fact the Greek language is one of the most interesting in the world, because of it's unique alphabet in relation to it's geographic and historical locations.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 15-11-2013 20:01
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I have a few languages I'de love to learn. Firstly German, because I allready know a little bit. Second comes dutch because it sounds awesome.
After that... maybe italian.
PS: Just to make it clear, I'm not considering learning 3-4 languages, it's just something I'de like to know 
Edited by cactus-jack on 15-11-2013 20:02
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 15-11-2013 20:15
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miggi133 wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Believe it or not, but Dutch is one of the hardest languages to learn. In comparison with other languages it has very odd rules, if there is a clear rule. For some reason, Dutchies have very few problems learning other languages though.
even I know dutch
your argument is invalid
iirc Hungaric was the hardest language to learn, at least that's what I remember of SpiderTech - Cervelo Part 2
@baseballlover312
my deepest condolences 
Apparently the hardest languages to learn world wide are Euskara (Basque Country) and Hungarian, as they dont have any relation to any language or any relation to any root/branch/origin (choose whatever word you want ) of any other language.
(Believe it or not, but while studying geography I actually had the time to learn some linguistics.. Well, i did have a 2nd subject up to last year which was a language...)
Oh and Selwink:
Dutch is a germanic Language! It is derived from the same origin as German and even ENGLISH (yes my dear Anglo-Saxons!) so it surely isnt the hardest language to learn!
Hell, I speak German and Luxembourgian and I get by just fine... Dutch is piss easy (excuse my french)!
And for those who wonder, other germanic languages are all of the scandinavian ones, Scots and even your selwinks regional language: frisian
Hungarian is part of Uralic languages (like Finnish and Estonian) but somewhat isolated as Hungarians traveled away to Central Europe. Still, its not nearly as isolated as Euskara, and Celtic should be worse too.
Finland is in Scandinavia and an Uralic language
isn't it good to correct people?
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 15-11-2013 21:49
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Strictly speaking, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia.
Not really sure how you managed to discuss in such 'length' about something as simple as the origins of certain languages. Look it up, guys |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 15-11-2013 22:01
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Correct, but Finland is a part of Fennoscandia so he's not that far off.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 15-11-2013 22:19
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Funny that you wrote "reali ze", being an English person.
If I've gotten my facts right : the -se form is more common in Britain, except for scientific publications, but the -ze form is closer to its Greek root.
The z comes from Firefox, an American program. It underlines all s things like realise, organise etc. That said i do use Americanizations fairly often such as color instead of colour, and favorite instead of favourite.
And yes the -ze could be seen as closer to traditional Greek set up, but equally the Greeks took it from certain Egyptian roots. In fact the Greek language is one of the most interesting in the world, because of it's unique alphabet in relation to it's geographic and historical locations.
Intentional?
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| 547984 |
Posted on 16-11-2013 00:09
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Anyone have luck with seeing Comet ISON?
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 16-11-2013 07:36
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Finland is part of extended Scandinavia. It can refer to either just Norway, Denmark, Sweeden, or it can refer to other countries, normally Faroe Islands, Iceland and Finland. My definition is the latter, but I guess it depends on the speaker as I do not believe there is a defined boundary. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-11-2013 08:29
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The Hobbit wrote:
Finland is part of extended Scandinavia. It can refer to either just Norway, Denmark, Sweeden, or it can refer to other countries, normally Faroe Islands, Iceland and Finland. My definition is the latter, but I guess it depends on the speaker as I do not believe there is a defined boundary.
Extended Scandinavia... also known as Nordic. This discussion comes up here fairly often it seems. For this, just use Google for the full story, or forum search
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 16-11-2013 11:07
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Bosskardo wrote:
Hungarian is part of Uralic languages (like Finnish and Estonian) but somewhat isolated as Hungarians traveled away to Central Europe. Still, its not nearly as isolated as Euskara, and Celtic should be worse too.
Finland is in Scandinavia and an Uralic language
isn't it good to correct people?
What do you mean by Celtic? Cause it is just a language group which has also been derived from the indo-european languages, like all the germanic ones!
If you are associating Celtic with Irish, then that is just a result that Irish is the most spoken language (Not as a native/everyday language) of the Celtic family! Others are Scottish Gaelic (surprisingly very similar to Irish), Welsh, Manx, Breton and Cornish...
Plus, when looking at similarities between Irish, English, and other various forms of germanic languages (like gothic), you can find a huge number of similar words...
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 16-11-2013 15:24
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miggi133 wrote:
Bosskardo wrote:
Hungarian is part of Uralic languages (like Finnish and Estonian) but somewhat isolated as Hungarians traveled away to Central Europe. Still, its not nearly as isolated as Euskara, and Celtic should be worse too.
Finland is in Scandinavia and an Uralic language
isn't it good to correct people?
What do you mean by Celtic? Cause it is just a language group which has also been derived from the indo-european languages, like all the germanic ones!
If you are associating Celtic with Irish, then that is just a result that Irish is the most spoken language (Not as a native/everyday language) of the Celtic family! Others are Scottish Gaelic (surprisingly very similar to Irish), Welsh, Manx, Breton and Cornish...
Plus, when looking at similarities between Irish, English, and other various forms of germanic languages (like gothic), you can find a huge number of similar words...
My memory might be a little vague about it but as I remember: Celtic (by this I mean all the Gaelic group) started in Britush isles and because it was isolated from the continent, it is quite different (isolated>no relation with other languages for a long time). Then anglo-saxons came and their language became dominant. I may be wrong but I don't think Gaelic had a lot of influence over developing English.
But as I say, I might be wrong. High (or middle) school (it was that long ago that I don't even remember when it was taugth) was al ong way back.
CrueTrue wrote:
Strictly speaking, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia.
It actually depends on how you look at it. Culturally (and language wise) it is Sweden, Norway and Denmark (although some very large regions of Swe and Nor still speak Uralic languages). Geographically it is mostly the same, only sometimes Denmark is not included. Historically, Finland has always been close to Scandinavia and thougth as part of it. Economically and politically, Fin is a part of Scandinavia.
And we can actually argue quite long, as it is all relative.
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 16-11-2013 18:07
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Christmas songs in mid-November. Discuss. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-11-2013 18:15
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brewers90 wrote:
Christmas songs in mid-November. Discuss.
Tolerable.
October, bearable. September, no. January-August, should be hung drawn and quartered.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 16-11-2013 18:16
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Nope, Sinterklaas songs all the way!
Spoiler Sinterklaas is the Dutch tradition with the this year 'famous' Zwarte Piet. (Its a Bit Christmas-like, I admit)
He was welcomed in the Netherlands today(he's in Spain the rest of the year ).
The actual 'Sinterklaas' day is 5th December. Christmas Songs will only appear after that, now we(well, not me) sing Sinterklaas songs
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 16-11-2013 18:20
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You Dutchies are weird.
Walking round a shopping centre while some bloke from the 70's keeps singing "snow is falling" when it clearly isn't is weird and, quite frankly, irritating. |
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 16-11-2013 18:34
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God I hate that so much, they have Christmas decorations earlier and earlier, I swear there is permanently a celebration being prepared for... |
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