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| Lachi |
Posted on 23-06-2014 11:55
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atlanta wrote:
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... USA have certainly been the better team 
How can a team be better if they don't score and allow a goal????
But now we will see, which team is better.
I hope USA can score again. The more European teams fail, the better...
Lol that is same logic as Froome crashing on Champs in yellow, would you then say he deserved to lose? Trust me Croatia did not deserve to lose to Brazil. Not everything is deserved Lachi, F1 is the same where somene is leadig by being slower. It is all down to luck.
Where exactly did I say that anybody deserves to lose?
I was talking about the quality of a team and I judge the quality of a team by its ability to win a game taking into consideration that both teams play on the same pitch with the same referees.
But if you want to discuss the Brazil vs. Croatia match, then consider this: It was the opening match and Croatia was playing against the host of the tournament. In this context it is stupid for Croatias players to hold Brazil players in the penalty area. I don't know if it was the stupidity of the coach (who didn't warn his players) or the players (ignoring the warning of the coach).
And if we want to discuss football quality, then consider that Brazil scored 3 times and Croatia once. Apparently Brazil was better at scoring and better at defending. So I cannot be wrong when I say Brazil was the better team overall, right? |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 23-06-2014 11:58
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It's not just the players and coaches. There also a third side influencing the games: the referees and linesmen. And as we have witnessed many times already this tournament their influence is pretty big.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 23-06-2014 12:23
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Of course the refs make mistakes but players make much more mistakes. If the referees or players have not been bought the game always will be lost because of mistakes of the players.
Most of them play football for 20 years now, so they should be able to handle mistakes by the referees, their teammates and the opponents.
But the simplest rule always is: Don't hold or kick attackers in the penalty area and the referee cannot give a penalty.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-06-2014 12:31
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I am with Lachi here. Referees are like weather, outer circumstances that you cannot (well, you should not in ideal state) influence.
So always play you best, be better than other team in game of football and you will win 99% of matches. In 1%, shit happens and you lost even if you were probably better side.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 23-06-2014 13:11
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
gotlandrules wrote:
Lachi wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
... USA have certainly been the better team
How can a team be better if they don't score and allow a goal????
But now we will see, which team is better.
I hope USA can score again. The more European teams fail, the better...
Are you serious? Of course you can be the better team in the gameplay without having the lead, thats the beauty of football, the best team doesn't always win.
It depends what "better" mean for you. In game of football, the game is played on goals, not possesion, not beauty, not whatever. GOALS!
Who score more goals and allow less, is the better side. Easy
It's not that black and white. If you have 80% of the possession while outshooting your opponents 25 to 1 you are clearly the better side even if you lose 1-0. Yes, if you score more goals you win, that doesn't make you the better side though  |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-06-2014 13:17
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So you are probably Barca fan?  (because of that 80% possesion remark)
I dont agree at all, as those who won the match 1-0 were better side. Football is played on goals, not possesion or shots.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 23-06-2014 13:22
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No, i hate the way Barca play, the 80% remark was to take it to its edge. The best team just doesn't always win, that's just the way it is... if you get totally battered in every single way on the pitch yet find a way to win, that doesn't make you the better team. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-06-2014 13:28
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We will have to agree to disagree, as i have different optics on the matter. Win is the ultimate goal of all sports and usually winners are labeled as the best, not those who were fan favourites or whatever.
With you reasoning, Rui Costa was probably not the best in 2013WC? I mean, Purito was way much stronger, but i dont see him riding in rainbow jersey.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-06-2014 13:30
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Also Greece should return their 2004 football Euro crown, as they were playing total shit. Yet nobody will put their name out from the books.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 23-06-2014 13:44
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Avin - I'm not saying they (Rui Costa, Greece whoever) didn't deserve to win, saying they were not the best, big difference. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 23-06-2014 13:44
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gotlandrules wrote:
if you get totally battered in every single way on the pitch yet find a way to win, that doesn't make you the better team.
Yes, this makes you the better team. Not because of your own performance but because of the total and absolute failure of the opponent.
Athletes, participating in competitions, who are not able to win can not be good.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 23-06-2014 13:53
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Lachi wrote:
gotlandrules wrote:
if you get totally battered in every single way on the pitch yet find a way to win, that doesn't make you the better team.
Yes, this makes you the better team. Not because of your own performance but because of the total and absolute failure of the opponent.
Athletes, participating in competitions, who are not able to win can not be good.
I don't agree at all, not even a little bit. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-06-2014 14:16
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in dutch football there is a big big culture of wanting to play nice attacking football. It's more important then just winning.
That's why, even though they got 2nd, there was huge critic on Van Marwijk for letting us play defensive fight football on the WC 2010.
Same with Van Gaal now who more or less players counter football.
They defend themselves by saying with this player material (aside from robben/rvp/sneijder the level is too low), it's not possible to play 4-3-3 attacking.
But the Dutch rather see attacking football, and lose to some counters. Then defensive football and then an undeserved win.
It's the reason why I loathe teams like Greece and such who just play destructive football. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 23-06-2014 14:20
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@gotlandrules: Maybe that's the reason why Sweden is not participating in this WC. They don't understand what it takes to be a "good" team. (just trolling)
A totally different topic:
Image Iran wins 1:0 against BIH and Nigeria loses 1:0 against Argentina. In this scenario Iran and Nigeria would be same ranked and a draw would be needed to determine which team will advance to the round of 16.
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-06-2014 15:46
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Kuyt starting as left wingback, Blind starting as centre back... Lens starting as second striker. Wijnaldum instead of De guzman
Chile will have no problem.. 4-0 to them |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 23-06-2014 16:06
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I also expect (and hope) a sound beating for Holland. |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 23-06-2014 17:07
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Lachi wrote:
A totally different topic:
Image Iran wins 1:0 against BIH and Nigeria loses 1:0 against Argentina. In this scenario Iran and Nigeria would be same ranked and a draw would be needed to determine which team will advance to the round of 16.
oh my god, that would totally suck for either teams  hope it doesn't happen to be honest
what I do hope will happen is The Netherlands losing (big time) against Chile and the Socceroos to win aswell.  honestly I care more about Australia-Spain then hypriciticoverhypedland - Chile
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 23-06-2014 17:38
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David Villa should have played much earlier instead of just the game against Australia  might have won against The Netherlands
1-0 Spain, Villa
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 23-06-2014 17:39
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 23-06-2014 17:41
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@Luigi
You mean hypriciticoverhypedland 1 - hypriciticoverhypedland 2
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 23-06-2014 17:50
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Jesleyh wrote:
@Luigi
You mean hypriciticoverhypedland 1 - hypriciticoverhypedland 2
no I don't. I don't know how the Chilian people thought about their team going to the world cup and I don't know what they think about it now. I do know that about the Netherlands as that was almost always negative about it. since they beat spain the people here started to believe in a good result and I find that hypocrit behavior. I keep by my opinion that they are awful and are going to fail fairly soon.
also hate all the noises that the people here make when The Netherlands score. might be related
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