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| 547984 |
Posted on 27-03-2014 22:33
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The table you listed is incorrect, that is actually if his potential is 7(see left hand side). 3 >> 4 with a gain of 4 in a stat usually means pot. 7 rider, but your hypothetical Pot. 6 rider would only gain 3MO from 3 >> 4. Look at the left column, pot 1, 2, 3.....,7. It's pretty obvious but the higher the potential the more the stats "jump". 
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 27-03-2014 22:33
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That now sounds much clearer and better. Thanks alot, guys!
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| 547984 |
Posted on 27-03-2014 22:34
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Gronewegen'd 
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 14-12-2014 13:08
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So really quick Stats Progression question. You get Rec boosts going from 74>75SP and 75>76SP via the sprinter programe. If you go straight from 74>76SP do you both boosts?
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-12-2014 13:11
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TheManxMissile wrote:
So really quick Stats Progression question. You get Rec boosts going from 74>75SP and 75>76SP via the sprinter programe. If you go straight from 74>76SP do you both boosts?
Yes, you get both.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 14-12-2014 13:18
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And obviously you don't have to go exactly 74>75>76 to get the boosts?
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-12-2014 13:22
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Correct. They're automatically applied once you reach or pass those points, it doesnt matter what the final stat is at the end of stat increases.
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| SotD |
Posted on 14-12-2014 13:27
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I really like that rule btw, as it means that my upcomming TdF sprinter, Bryan Coquard will be 84 REC, and thus should be very strong on the 3 week races 
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-12-2014 13:31
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Yep, I factor in the +7 increase when giving stats to new sprinter additions - Coquard was always going to be a very valuable rider for whichever team managed to buy him.
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| SotD |
Posted on 14-12-2014 13:44
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A theoretical question (I believe I asked the question before, but forgot the answer):
If I train Spilak +10 SPR (Not going to happen, but other riders might be possible to do so with), will he also get +7 bonus in REC) It would mean that he got to 85REC, and I believe that training him +10 SPR would be cheaper (or almost similar) than to train him +7REC.
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| SotD |
Posted on 14-12-2014 13:50
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Couldn't edit... So another small thing I have noticed when looking through the DB's.
Riders seems to be getting much much better that what they were previously. Riders with 82MO had a very good chance at winning GT's 2-3 seasons ago. In the coming seasons I suspect that only riders with 84-85MO will have a real shot at doing so.
Have you considered lowering the upcoming talents max capacity a bit, and leave the final "developping" to individual training? I fear that in a couple of seasons we will see 5-6 riders have 85 in their primary stat over all disciplines. Cobbles, timetrials, mountains, hills, sprints and such. When doing so, it will be more down to randomness rather than selecting and buying the correct riders for the task.
I know that building a team for the future will be more difficult, if the best talents have only got 78 as their max stat, but it would level out in the end.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-12-2014 13:52
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I think I usually avoid answering those questions. Fortunately nobody ever tried training Trofimov's Sprint from 74, and I think this was his last year of training eligibility.
It's there for sprinters so I wouldn't let a GC contender take it. Perhaps there needs to be a clear indication in future of who is eligible for it, say, stat increases in the Sprinter of Track-Sprint category, or training for riders where Sprint is the best main stat.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-12-2014 14:04
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In reply to your 2nd post, it is a delicate balancing game that I've spent a lot of time on the past few seasons. New riders need to be added to give free agent options for newer teams, to replace older riders when they decline, and to stop the same teams dominating because they already have the good riders. Last year I put together a DB to look at how existing riders would look in 4 seasons time - with some maxed out and others declining - and that led to a reduced offering of talented new riders.
What you'll find though is that there are very few riders who get added by me who have the potential to go up to as high as 82. The problem is with the training. The problem is not all the effort I put in for planning new riders, it is when Spilak gets trained from 82 to 85 in one season, or Velits from 80 to 83. That problem itself partly stems back from season after season of riders being trained up towards that level, originating from when training was first introduced (badly thought through) allowing a cheap and easy way to gain high stats, without any real restriction.
There's not much I can do about now. The only thing is to address the other part of the problem, that there is too much money around - and training is currently the only way for it to leave the system. There are already plans in place to address that next transfers.
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| fintas |
Posted on 14-12-2014 14:15
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How about resolving the issue of training limiting the possibility of training a rider only once in his entire career ??
The rider can be trained in various stats in the same year but after receiving training for once, this same rider would be unable to be retrained
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 14-12-2014 14:30
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SN: The only thing is to address the other part of the problem, that there is too much money around - and training is currently the only way for it to leave the system.
That is indeed key and it is caused by the salary caps. Without them much of the money now being spent on training would automatically flow into higher wages.
Not saying we should get rid of them btw, it's just an observation.
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| SotD |
Posted on 14-12-2014 14:38
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Thanks for the answers SN. I totally agree with you btw.
Normally I haven't had that much money myself (my teams), but seeing how other people got hold of abnormal amounts of money I chose to target that path myself in order to target less qualified riders, and keep the wage low. Obviously it bites me in the ass the season after, but that was a gamble I was willing to take, in order to go for one season of glory - I haven't been able to get that yet, so I guess I need to look at the game from another perspective, and become more unique, like Pokerstars managed to do this season. But I also need to combine it with my passion for Grand Tours
I like the fact that there are new ideas on the subject, and if you need it I will be more than happy to help balancing out the DB for the future.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-12-2014 14:41
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fintas wrote:
How about resolving the issue of training limiting the possibility of training a rider only once in his entire career ??
The rider can be trained in various stats in the same year but after receiving training for once, this same rider would be unable to be retrained
It would probably be more appropriate to limit the amount a rider can go up each season, e.g. 1 80+ stat, than only give them 1 chance to train.
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SN: The only thing is to address the other part of the problem, that there is too much money around - and training is currently the only way for it to leave the system.
That is indeed key and it is caused by the salary caps. Without them much of the money now being spent on training would automatically flow into higher wages.
Not saying we should get rid of them btw, it's just an observation.
I think caps are needed in order to keep teams more balanced.
The thinking at the moment is more introducing somethings like:
- Rider renewal fees
- The MGUCI taking a cut of all transfer fees
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| SotD |
Posted on 14-12-2014 14:42
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How about resolving the issue of training limiting the possibility of training a rider only once in his entire career ??
The rider can be trained in various stats in the same year but after receiving training for once, this same rider would be unable to be retrained
I don't like that. I kinda like the teams that have put in a lot of effort to make a single rider good. Some teams have spent a lot of time and money on riders that would normally stop at a rather low level. Eastman is a good example. Also B&O have had Pluchkin for ages and making him a brilliant rider in the proces. Also Keinath, who isn't really anything out of the ordinary.
I think, that it will make most teams strategy the same, which will only influence in even more inflated wages to a limited amount of riders, as they are the only option to be able to win anything.
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 14-12-2014 14:51
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Perhaps I'm making things a bit too easy now, but adding a training cap could work in my opinion.
Just say you can spend ... on training, or if you want to spend more give up some of your wage budget in return.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 15-12-2014 06:22
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I agree with fjhoekie that some sort of training cap for how much money you can spend would be good. Because those millions that were flying in PT training this year were just silly.
Also i dont agree there are too many good riders added to the database, that can challenge 85 climbers which are now so plenty. There is no talent in the game that can go 85 without much more million worth training (but maybe i just underestimete power of some teams to generate money). Maybe PT has too big transfer budget? Because nothing so crazy is happening in PCT...
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