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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 01-06-2014 14:57
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Something needs to be done about Evan's recovery. If Martin is at 70, I see Evans at around there too now.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 01-06-2014 15:01
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Quintana 81
Uran 79
Aru 79
Pozzovivo 78
Rolland 78
Majka 78
Kelderman 77
Evans 77
Hesjedal 77
Edited by Arberg27 on 01-06-2014 15:02
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 01-06-2014 15:08
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Something needs to be done about Evan's recovery. If Martin is at 70, I see Evans at around there too now.
Kind of yes. Well you can maybe blame the fact that he basically had peaked during April, but his recovery should be in low 70's. The only thing I don't like is that your reason for lowering Evans stat is that Martin has low stat. IMO, Martin just isn't as good of a climber as everyone paints him to be. 76 max to be honest. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 01-06-2014 15:18
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The big problem with Dan Martin is that he's just a hill climber and not a proven big tour stage race rider. He once finished in the top 20 of La Vuelta and really deserves no more than 76 mtn and until proven differently his rec shouldn't be great. sadly he crashed out this Giro so we still don't know how he would've performed in this Giro when it mattered. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 01-06-2014 15:25
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I think he's proven quite a few times that 77 mtn with low recovery is fine.
And I think Evan's has proven that he can't hold in the 3rd week of a GT anymore.
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| Naskela |
Posted on 01-06-2014 15:26
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Quintana 81
Uran 79
Aru 78
Rolland 78
Pozzovivo 77
Majka 77
Kelderman 76
Hesjedal 76/77
Evans 76
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| dev4ever |
Posted on 01-06-2014 15:37
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Basso has the nationality bonus as well, so 74, 75 max would be my opinion. He's done.
Wellens also one of the guys that deserves an upgrade after a strong Giro and NC TT.
I don't think the nationality bonus makes much difference, if it does I can't say I really noticed it. For example Pinot and Rolland always seem to do crap in French races.
There are a number of riders like Wellens that I've improved. I've upped him to 70 mtn as these are the type of riders that if their daily form and condition is good will get in breaks on mountain stages.
Mind sharing your db?  I would love to play with updated stats after Giro, but I'm too lazy make it all myself
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 01-06-2014 15:38
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@ Baseball well I think its obvious that Evans is now finished as a GC rider, he even proved that last year in the Tour, he just can't hack the big mountains anymore.
@Naskela Your stats are the closest to mine (in that they're less generous than some others) Even though I have Pozzovivo and Majka at 78, as 77 makes it kind of hard to challenge for a top 5 position. I think at least 78 is needed for a good GC position in the Giro.
I must be the only person though that has Quintana at 82 mtn though, as everybody has put him at 81 it seems.
@Dev PCM Daily is about to release one soon and similar to what is being discussed here.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 01-06-2014 15:40
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| hollyghost54 |
Posted on 01-06-2014 15:54
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poels: flat;71 mountain;76 downhill;69 tt;73 pr;70 sp: 61 acc: 75 end:73 res:72 rec;74 hil:76 att:76 |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:00
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hollyghost54 wrote:
poels: flat;71 mountain;76 downhill;69 tt;73 pr;70 sp: 61 acc: 75 end:73 res:72 rec;74 hil:76 att:76
Weird thing for me is that Poels is way better than 76, except he is sooo inconsistent... |
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:28
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TimoCycling wrote:
hollyghost54 wrote:
poels: flat;71 mountain;76 downhill;69 tt;73 pr;70 sp: 61 acc: 75 end:73 res:72 rec;74 hil:76 att:76
Weird thing for me is that Poels is way better than 76, except he is sooo inconsistent...
No, he is no way better. Every rider has his good days, so giving him rating of 76 or 77 that would allow him to battle for top 10 in GT is more than enough. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:29
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I_Mayo wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
hollyghost54 wrote:
poels: flat;71 mountain;76 downhill;69 tt;73 pr;70 sp: 61 acc: 75 end:73 res:72 rec;74 hil:76 att:76
Weird thing for me is that Poels is way better than 76, except he is sooo inconsistent...
No, he is no way better. Every rider has his good days, so giving him rating of 76 or 77 that would allow him to battle for top 10 in GT is more than enough.
You saw him at Zoncolan? |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:33
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TimoCycling wrote:
I_Mayo wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
hollyghost54 wrote:
poels: flat;71 mountain;76 downhill;69 tt;73 pr;70 sp: 61 acc: 75 end:73 res:72 rec;74 hil:76 att:76
Weird thing for me is that Poels is way better than 76, except he is sooo inconsistent...
No, he is no way better. Every rider has his good days, so giving him rating of 76 or 77 that would allow him to battle for top 10 in GT is more than enough.
You saw him at Zoncolan?
That's just one good day. As there's no "consistency" in PCM, I can only agree with I_Mayo. He's no where near 77MO level.
Edited by admirschleck on 01-06-2014 16:34
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:34
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TimoCycling wrote:
I_Mayo wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
hollyghost54 wrote:
poels: flat;71 mountain;76 downhill;69 tt;73 pr;70 sp: 61 acc: 75 end:73 res:72 rec;74 hil:76 att:76
Weird thing for me is that Poels is way better than 76, except he is sooo inconsistent...
No, he is no way better. Every rider has his good days, so giving him rating of 76 or 77 that would allow him to battle for top 10 in GT is more than enough.
You saw him at Zoncolan?
Well these stats will also carry over to PCM 14 where you remember outsiders can do very well on a good day, so we can now afford to give the inconsistent rider the lower stats and they can still get realistic results.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:35
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He's atleast 77 MO in my opinion. Except for one day where he lost the GC at the Stelvio he has been with the best everyday. He's a pure climber. |
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:38
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admirschleck wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
I_Mayo wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
hollyghost54 wrote:
poels: flat;71 mountain;76 downhill;69 tt;73 pr;70 sp: 61 acc: 75 end:73 res:72 rec;74 hil:76 att:76
Weird thing for me is that Poels is way better than 76, except he is sooo inconsistent...
No, he is no way better. Every rider has his good days, so giving him rating of 76 or 77 that would allow him to battle for top 10 in GT is more than enough.
You saw him at Zoncolan?
That's just one good way. As there's no "consistency" in PCM, I can only agree with I_Mayo. He's no where near 77MO level.
I actually think that he might deserve 77 like I stated above, but comments like "you saw him in Zoncolan?", won't make it. I saw him at Val Martello, so giving "way more" than 76 as Timo suggested, which would be what 80 ?????, just doesn't seem logical to me at all. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:38
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76 should be about enough to reach top-10 in a GT. I think 76 is perfect, 75 seems to low, but 77 a tad too high. It would make him even to climbers like Hesjedal, which he isn't (yet).
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:40
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Yup, look at the other climbers at 77 and you'll see he has no place there. Without his crash he might have had more progress, but I don't think we should take that into account.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Anderis |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:43
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Tafiolmo wrote:
The big problem with Dan Martin is that he's just a hill climber and not a proven big tour stage race rider. He once finished in the top 20 of La Vuelta and really deserves no more than 76 mtn and until proven differently his rec shouldn't be great. sadly he crashed out this Giro so we still don't know how he would've performed in this Giro when it mattered.
I disagree. I think Dan proved very well he deserves 77 MO. He was sitting 10th overall after 16 days of TdF last year and I reckon he would've finished 9th if not ilness that caught him then. He also would be around 6th overall in Vuelta 2011 if not a poor TT, 40 seconds penalty and one worse day during a hilly stage. And he won a pure MTF stage from a group of favourites then.
He also won Catalunya against strong opposition, which is the race with some stages classified as mountain in PCM. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 01-06-2014 16:58
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TimoCycling wrote:
He's atleast 77 MO in my opinion. Except for one day where he lost the GC at the Stelvio he has been with the best everyday. He's a pure climber.
No more than 77 for me.
Quintana 81
Aru 79
Uran 79
Pozzovivo 78
Rolland 78
Majka 78
Kelderman 77
Evans 77 - low rec
Hesjedal 77 - low rec as well
Poels 77 |
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