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TOTC 4: Check out latest ideas for TOTC5
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 20-01-2014 18:01
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Nah, that just means the domestiques make the difference, not the leaders. 
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| krisa |
Posted on 20-01-2014 18:02
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Jesleyh wrote:
Equal stats?
Mmm...
Not sure if that's a good idea. Just one statt will be equal
Froome contador all fighting together in mountain stages but what will it give on cobbled stages?
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 20-01-2014 18:25
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You could open the sign up to those you've deemed active through the previous one early through PM's that way if they are guarrunteed a spot should they want to continue whereas it's first come first serve for the rest of them, as for rider selection how about nations that don't have a national team in game, possibly with some sort of stat limit if needed to avoid a dominating rider.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 20-01-2014 18:40
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Ollfardh wrote:
How about we all make a suggestion, and The Rider decides which one he likes best?
Here's mine:
Full Database with draft
1) Prologue (preferably downhill, or maybe cobbled)
2) Vattenfall classic
3) Hilly TTT of a +40km distance
4) Scheldeprijs
5) Gent-Wevelgem
6) Amstel Gold Race
7) Volta Limburg
8) Flat TT +40km distance
9) Milan - San Remo
10) Lombardia
11) Stelvio stage
12) Clasica Almeria
13) Clasica San Sebastian
14) Angliru stage
15) Liege-Bastogne-Liege
16) Ronde Van Vlaanderen
17) Paris-Tours
18) Paris-Roubaix
19) Paris-Nice TT
20) Alpe d'Huez
21) Champ Elysees
EDIT: I'd love to push it to 28 race days as well, but dunno if that is possible 
- Full database
- Round by round draft picks, each round the average goes down a bit
- If you pick a rider from a team of a certain nation, you cannot draft from another team of the same nation anymore. Let's say I pick Wilco Kelderman in round one, I'm not allowed to draft a Belkin, Argos, Rabobank CT, De Rijcke, etc rider again.
- After each race there can post the stage top 10, while we need to guess whoever got 11th based on the reports, the pictures, the GC changes, etc. The first one who gets it, received bonus points, just like with the flags.
Edited by Ollfardh on 20-01-2014 18:41
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| krisa |
Posted on 20-01-2014 18:46
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1) Prologue (preferably downhill, or maybe cobbled)
2) Vattenfall classic
3) Paris - Roubaix
4) Scheldeprijs
5) Gent-Wevelgem
6) Ronde Van Vlaanderen
7) London classic
8) Milan - San Remo
9) Strade Bianche
10) Lombardia
11) Stelvio stage
12) Ventoux
13) Sprint stage
14) TTT
15) Amstel Gold Race
16) Liege Bastogne Liege
17) Giro sprint stage
18) Angliru stage
19) Zoncolan
20) Tre Crimi di lavaredo
21) Champ Elysees
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| The Rider |
Posted on 20-01-2014 18:47
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Ollfardh wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
How about we all make a suggestion, and The Rider decides which one he likes best?
Here's mine:
Full Database with draft
1) Prologue (preferably downhill, or maybe cobbled)
2) Vattenfall classic
3) Hilly TTT of a +40km distance
4) Scheldeprijs
5) Gent-Wevelgem
6) Amstel Gold Race
7) Volta Limburg
8) Flat TT +40km distance
9) Milan - San Remo
10) Lombardia
11) Stelvio stage
12) Clasica Almeria
13) Clasica San Sebastian
14) Angliru stage
15) Liege-Bastogne-Liege
16) Ronde Van Vlaanderen
17) Paris-Tours
18) Paris-Roubaix
19) Paris-Nice TT
20) Alpe d'Huez
21) Champ Elysees
EDIT: I'd love to push it to 28 race days as well, but dunno if that is possible
- Full database
- Round by round draft picks, each round the average goes down a bit
- If you pick a rider from a team of a certain nation, you cannot draft from another team of the same nation anymore. Let's say I pick Wilco Kelderman in round one, I'm not allowed to draft a Belkin, Argos, Rabobank CT, De Rijcke, etc rider again.
- After each race there can post the stage top 10, while we need to guess whoever got 11th based on the reports, the pictures, the GC changes, etc. The first one who gets it, received bonus points, just like with the flags.
You raise some great points there. 
Not too sure on point 3 at the moment..... But I REALLY like the fourth point you make there. |
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 20-01-2014 18:54
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And have a riddle with every stage  |
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| The Rider |
Posted on 20-01-2014 18:58
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The Hobbit wrote:
And have a riddle with every stage
I was thinking doing something like that with the report......like....
At the start of a sentence or a line I could put the first word from a song and the next word on the next line.....
Though as I pretty much inclusively listen to the blues I doubt anyone will know the songs but they should work them out with some deduction. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 20-01-2014 23:14
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Jesleyh wrote:
Equal stats?
Mmm...
Not sure if that's a good idea.
+1, that would be a good idea |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 20-01-2014 23:21
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I think the most recent draft order worked real wonders. It was by far more equal than the other T.O.T.C. I participated in, and the biggest tribute to that is actually that Atlantius won that damn thing. Three big pools is definitely great.
I myself would like to see a continuation of the cobbles & mountain stages, combined with few flat stages and many breakaway attempts for teams. However, I'd like to see the cobbles somewhere in the middle or in the end, while maybe toughest mountain stages are the ones to begin with?
Trying to guess the 11th rider sounds fun, but I fear it might mess up the race reports too much, when we can only see the first ten riders for a while...
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 21-01-2014 07:58
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The Rider wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
How about we all make a suggestion, and The Rider decides which one he likes best?
Here's mine:
Full Database with draft
1) Prologue (preferably downhill, or maybe cobbled)
2) Vattenfall classic
3) Hilly TTT of a +40km distance
4) Scheldeprijs
5) Gent-Wevelgem
6) Amstel Gold Race
7) Volta Limburg
8) Flat TT +40km distance
9) Milan - San Remo
10) Lombardia
11) Stelvio stage
12) Clasica Almeria
13) Clasica San Sebastian
14) Angliru stage
15) Liege-Bastogne-Liege
16) Ronde Van Vlaanderen
17) Paris-Tours
18) Paris-Roubaix
19) Paris-Nice TT
20) Alpe d'Huez
21) Champ Elysees
EDIT: I'd love to push it to 28 race days as well, but dunno if that is possible
- Full database
- Round by round draft picks, each round the average goes down a bit
- If you pick a rider from a team of a certain nation, you cannot draft from another team of the same nation anymore. Let's say I pick Wilco Kelderman in round one, I'm not allowed to draft a Belkin, Argos, Rabobank CT, De Rijcke, etc rider again.
- After each race there can post the stage top 10, while we need to guess whoever got 11th based on the reports, the pictures, the GC changes, etc. The first one who gets it, received bonus points, just like with the flags.
You raise some great points there.
Not too sure on point 3 at the moment..... But I REALLY like the fourth point you make there.
Pfff, it's a full package, all my ideas are great
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 21-01-2014 16:55
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One idea. Chemical symbols hidden (maybe bolded for ease) in each report, first one to get all of them gets 5 UC points, no googling recommended, but no way of stopping it  |
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| The Rider |
Posted on 21-01-2014 20:38
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sutty68 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Equal stats?
Mmm...
Not sure if that's a good idea.
+1, that would be a good idea
..... I'm confused Sutty, because Jesleyh said it was a bad idea...........
@ Shonak - We might well have riders with higher averages in the next one. Perhaps you could come up with an even better pot system as the no.1/no.2 teams with the draft picks still ended up on the UC podium?
@ The Hobbit - Something like that would be a good idea, especially because there was probably half a dozen of people in TOTC4 who paid no attention whatsoever.
@ Ollfardh - I won't argue with that one!
In previous versions I have always insisted on having 21 participants + 1 control team but as some people hardly commented (which sucked) at all in TOTC4 (even after winning 3 stages) they won't be coming back for TOTC5 so 21 participants wont be needed. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 22-01-2014 18:55
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My Bad  |
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| The Rider |
Posted on 23-01-2014 11:37
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These are some ideas I have at the moment.
-- 3 Riders from Pot 1 must be bought with 'cash.' Everyone starts out with £3,000,000. I will list up all the riders eligible in a post and then people will have 4 days to bid (in the thread) on the eligible riders (around 100 different riders). In order to stop people bidding right on the time limit there will be one hour in which people can challenge the last bid from when the previous bid was placed, this may go over the 4 day time limit. The highest bid wins. You cannot bid on more than 3 riders at any one time.
You can blow all of your 3,000,000 on one rider, but if you do you then have 2 sign two lesser riders from a 'lower tier' pot using the serpentine system. As the bids will take place in the thread everyone can track who is being bought and which riders are yet to have a bid against their name. People who are inactive will not receive any riders from Pot 1 and therefore be at a disadvantage.
The people who have the largest budgets left at the end of the transfer period will be rewarded:
1) Most budget left ------ 2 riders + 1 in 7 different stats
2) 2nd most budget left -------- 1 rider + 1 in 10 stats
3) 3rd most budget left --------- 1 rider + 3 FLT + 5 FGHTER
21) least budget left -------- no reward
--- Riders who made the 'team of the tournament' in TOTC4 will have a stats increase, a larger increase will be affected on the pot 3 riders (Valjavec and co,) than the Pot1 riders (Ghyselinck and co).
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-01-2014 11:44
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I don't like the Team of the Tournament rule, as it's too selective. If you want to do something like that, give it to all active people in the previous TOTC editions.
The money for the draft is a good thing, as are the bonuses for remaining cash. Some more differences for extra cash would be even better in my opinion, like you did with all the different trainers in TOTC2.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| The Rider |
Posted on 23-01-2014 11:48
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Ollfardh wrote:
I don't like the Team of the Tournament rule, as it's too selective. If you want to do something like that, give it to all active people in the previous TOTC editions.
I think you might have misunderstood. That point was basically me saying to give Valjavec + the like stat increases. If I do that then the 'top riders' are more equal with each other so then we can have higher quality riders eligible. No one player gets an advantage. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-01-2014 12:34
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even better pot system as the no.1/no.2 teams with the draft picks still ended up on the UC podium?
You do understand a Draft right? The #1+2 teams are always going to be around the top end with any draft system because they will get the best riders. You can only alter who gets to be #1+2 etc.
(more aimed to shonak than the rider)
Those bonuses for remaining budget seem really small, unless you have 100 riders within 2-3 key stat points of each other. And if you have that then a normal draft would be just as effective.
I do like the bidding for the Top riders, provided those 100 riders are the actual top riders, and everyone else is 3-4 key stat points lower.
"Team of the Tournament" bonuses is dumb. 9 riders getting a boost for no real reason... what boost? and depends surely on the other 100 riders... If you are going to use higher AVG riders this time then the boost i'd imagine would be significant.
Anyway i think that idea is an unnecessary change.
Another thing just popped into my head with the bidding... what happens if someone bids 3mil straight up? No-one can beat that right? So isn't it then a first come first served on the biggest riders
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| The Rider |
Posted on 23-01-2014 12:52
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Please try and go one post without being patronising..........
If someone bids 3,000,000 then they will get that rider. But then they will only get one rider from Pot1 whereas the more wise can pick up to 3 riders from Pot 1. Also if you spend 3,000,000 you will not be receiving any bonuses for having most of the budget left. Also, the minimal bid for a rider will be 100,000. A lot still to be decided.
I will try to include as many riders as evenly matched as possible, in the aim of there being no clear favourites. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-01-2014 12:59
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I know a lot is still be worked on, just trying to help you think of all the aspects. As usual i am here to try and break things
And Isso is patronizing
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