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| kumazan |
Posted on 18-10-2010 20:46
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Oh yeah, people demonstrating to defend the rights that took decades of fight to get?
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| Christer |
Posted on 18-10-2010 20:47
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Soon, they will strike because they have to work in France. 
They didn't strike when I was there... During Le Tour '06
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-10-2010 20:48
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kumazan wrote:
Oh yeah, people demonstrating to defend the rights that took decades of fight to get?
Yup, absolutely crazy.
You have no idea. Aquarius isn't joking. French workers are LITERALLY capable of striking over anything at all.
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Posted on 18-10-2010 20:49
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Christer wrote:
Soon, they will strike because they have to work in France.
They didn't strike when I was there... During Le Tour '06
Yep, was in Nice and Paris for one week each place and there were no strike.
Edit: Forgot to say it was in 2006.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-10-2010 21:10
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It's often been ridiculous, but this time, it's simple as algebra. X people pay for Y people (since we didn't really capitalise until a few years ago, we've got the system when all the retired wages are paid by workers). So, as we'll get an always bigger number of retired per worker, and as we can neither afford to increase the taxes nor to reduce the wages, the only trick is to use retirement age to try to reach some sort of balance.
And, what makes me vomit : we retired at 65 until 1981, when people lived till 70 to 75 years old, at a time of full employment. Now we retire at 60 and live till 90... Soon we'll live till 100, then 100, maybe even more.
You don't pay any tax before you work, which you start between 14 and 27 or 28, then you work 42 years, and you get paid to live until you die. Can you imagine working and paying during only one third of your existence ?
Jesus, that system could work well in 1950, but we've to deal with nowadays reality... If 60 has been "the right age" (given there's one, which is a foolish idea) at one point, it can't remain the same forever. Doesn't take a scientist to understand... |
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Posted on 18-10-2010 21:12
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issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Oh yeah, people demonstrating to defend the rights that took decades of fight to get?
Yup, absolutely crazy.
You have no idea. Aquarius isn't joking. French workers are LITERALLY capable of striking over anything at all.
So? I don't know where did they strike without a good reason to do so, but they do have a reson to strike now, so I see nothing wrong with it. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 18-10-2010 21:14
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Oh yeah, people demonstrating to defend the rights that took decades of fight to get?
Yup, absolutely crazy.
You have no idea. Aquarius isn't joking. French workers are LITERALLY capable of striking over anything at all.
So? I don't know where did they strike without a good reason to do so, but they do have a reson to strike now, so I see nothing wrong with it.
The retirement age is going up by 2 years. It's still very low. Not really a good reason when keeping the retirement age down will just create a huge deficit.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-10-2010 21:16
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Oh yeah, people demonstrating to defend the rights that took decades of fight to get?
Yup, absolutely crazy.
You have no idea. Aquarius isn't joking. French workers are LITERALLY capable of striking over anything at all.
So? I don't know where did they strike without a good reason to do so, but they do have a reson to strike now, so I see nothing wrong with it.
You're missing the point. The point is that nobody was criticizing their strike THIS TIME, so your comment was a rebuttal to no one 
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| kumazan |
Posted on 18-10-2010 21:20
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issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Oh yeah, people demonstrating to defend the rights that took decades of fight to get?
Yup, absolutely crazy.
You have no idea. Aquarius isn't joking. French workers are LITERALLY capable of striking over anything at all.
So? I don't know where did they strike without a good reason to do so, but they do have a reson to strike now, so I see nothing wrong with it.
You're missing the point. The point is that nobody was criticizing their strike THIS TIME, so your comment was a rebuttal to no one
It was a rebuttal to Aqua?
Meh, anyway, it's not like I want to start a politics discussion here, and now. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 18-10-2010 21:31
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Aquarius wrote:
It's often been ridiculous, but this time, it's simple as algebra. X people pay for Y people (since we didn't really capitalise until a few years ago, we've got the system when all the retired wages are paid by workers). So, as we'll get an always bigger number of retired per worker, and as we can neither afford to increase the taxes nor to reduce the wages, the only trick is to use retirement age to try to reach some sort of balance.
And, what makes me vomit : we retired at 65 until 1981, when people lived till 70 to 75 years old, at a time of full employment. Now we retire at 60 and live till 90... Soon we'll live till 100, then 100, maybe even more.
You don't pay any tax before you work, which you start between 14 and 27 or 28, then you work 42 years, and you get paid to live until you die. Can you imagine working and paying during only one third of your existence ?
Jesus, that system could work well in 1950, but we've to deal with nowadays reality... If 60 has been "the right age" (given there's one, which is a foolish idea) at one point, it can't remain the same forever. Doesn't take a scientist to understand...
It's not as simple as you want it to be.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-10-2010 21:31
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Oh yeah, people demonstrating to defend the rights that took decades of fight to get?
Yup, absolutely crazy.
You have no idea. Aquarius isn't joking. French workers are LITERALLY capable of striking over anything at all.
So? I don't know where did they strike without a good reason to do so, but they do have a reson to strike now, so I see nothing wrong with it. Fact is that demonstrating and striking for any reason is just stupid. They barely negotiate anything. Those who reform don't bother doing proper reforms, balanced or fair ones, since no matter what it'll end in a strike. Both camps abuse from the fact that anything important will end up in a lot of strikes and demonstrations.
Then... I think we're still a democracy, even if it's not working properly. We voted for this or that, him, her, etc. but what does it mean when people strike till a reform is abandoned ? Striking is better than voting, or stronger. That's the sign of a sick democracy. What's the point in voting, when you can (not) get what you (don't) want using the streets ?
That's not specific to the current strike, by the way.
And I shouldn't even mention teenagers who're now slowing down traffic, burning stuff like bins on the streets, etc. That always going way out of proportion.
Tomorrow I'll demonstrate for retirement at 30 for educated ones. Well, why not, that's not balanced but the current system isn't either, so let's be even more egoistic. |
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Posted on 18-10-2010 21:33
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-10-2010 21:33
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Oh, I'm not bashing the system as it is, it's just that it's totally unbalanced as it is now, and people tend to act egoistic rather than tending to a more balanced thing.
The French system isn't that bad (even though it wastes a lot of money), it may even be one of the best in the world, it's just that we don't have the money to afford it... |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 18-10-2010 22:09
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I disagree with striking on pretty much every level, although as I get older I seem to get more right wing, although that may just be a kick-back from the communism of my youth 
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 18-10-2010 22:13
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mb2612 wrote:
I disagree with striking on pretty much every level, although as I get older I seem to get more right wing, although that may just be a kick-back from the communism of my youth
My dad always quote his uncle on this. "When they are young students on SU (payment from the government to students) they vote SF (socialist party), and when the get out in the real world and get a job they vote Conservative."
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-10-2010 22:18
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schleck93 wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
I disagree with striking on pretty much every level, although as I get older I seem to get more right wing, although that may just be a kick-back from the communism of my youth
My dad always quote his uncle on this. "When they are young students on SU (payment from the government to students) they vote SF (socialist party), and when the get out in the real world and get a job they vote Conservative."
Funny how my life experience has pointed me very strongly towards the opposite.
As the people I've always known get a job, have to pay for a house, have to pay for a car, etc., etc., most of them swerve left.
Edited by issoisso on 18-10-2010 22:19
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 18-10-2010 22:22
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schleck93 wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
I disagree with striking on pretty much every level, although as I get older I seem to get more right wing, although that may just be a kick-back from the communism of my youth
My dad always quote his uncle on this. "When they are young students on SU (payment from the government to students) they vote SF (socialist party), and when the get out in the real world and get a job they vote Conservative."
If anyone vote for the Conservatives today, they are pretty weird
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| Immortal |
Posted on 18-10-2010 22:27
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People become less radical as they grow older. It's all related to the whole "the young generation rebels against the ruling generation"-thingy.
As for what isso said, that seams strange to me. I have allways had the exact opposite feeling. I suppose it varies depending on the political climate. |
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Posted on 18-10-2010 22:28
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Give the man a break, he is old and once the Conservatives were big and with decent leaders.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 18-10-2010 22:58
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I think this whole thing goes with the great Churchill quote.
Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.
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