admirschleck wrote:
Arredondo is all but "new Colombian".
What exactly has he done that makes him "old"?
I never said "old", but definitely not "new". Well, here are some of his better results in this and past few years:
- 2014 Tirreno Adriatico - 5th GC
- 2013 Tour de Langkawi - 1st GC
- 2014 GP Camaiore - 3rd
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 4th GC
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 2nd KoM
- 2014 Tour de San Luis Stage 6 - 1st
- 2013 Tour of Japan - 2nd GC
- Few stage and GC wins in some 1.2 and 2.2 races.
I guess these results are enough to at least know his name. And being a part of one UWT team such as Trek should be another reason, also. Of course, I am not judging someone that doesn't know him, opposite actually, but being 25 y/o, winning 2.HC race, finishing in Top 5 in UWT race such as Tirreno is enough for me and everyone who's following cycling closely.
Ybodonk - I apologize if you found my post offensive, I definitely didn't want to sound rude, arrogant or anything similar.
admirschleck wrote:
Arredondo is all but "new Colombian".
What exactly has he done that makes him "old"?
I never said "old", but definitely not "new". Well, here are some of his better results in this and past few years:
- 2014 Tirreno Adriatico - 5th GC
- 2013 Tour de Langkawi - 1st GC
- 2014 GP Camaiore - 3rd
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 4th GC
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 2nd KoM
- 2014 Tour de San Luis Stage 6 - 1st
- 2013 Tour of Japan - 2nd GC
- Few stage and GC wins in some 1.2 and 2.2 races.
I guess these results are enough to at least know his name. And being a part of one UWT team such as Trek should be another reason, also. Of course, I am not judging someone that doesn't know him, opposite actually, but being 25 y/o, winning 2.HC race, finishing in Top 5 in UWT race such as Tirreno is enough for me and everyone who's following cycling closely.
Ybodonk - I apologize if you found my post offensive, I definitely didn't want to sound rude, arrogant or anything similar.
The only impressive result that is as important as today's performance is the 5th place in Tirreno. Which was achieved last month. So new
Same old boring Fleche and Amstel, when I first stated watching these races in the 90s they were usually amonsgt the most exciting on the calendar. Now it's just always the same with the peloton catching every break and riding hard to the final climb and then its just a mad sprint to the finish. Surely they can make these races exciting again, admittedly the Amstel Gold is a bit better to watch these days the the Fleche.
I understand why they do multiple climbs of the Mur and Cauberg to get maximum attention, the concept works in the Flanders but not in the Ardennes, here's hoping they make some route changes to these races, though I doubt it.
Also would be good if some game designers made some variations of these races to prevent the peloton arriving en-masse to the finish.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 23-04-2014 17:01
alexkr00 wrote:
The only impressive result that is as important as today's performance is the 5th place in Tirreno. Which was achieved last month. So new
I watch a bit more than just UWT races, so I actually know him from Langkawi last year. So old
admirschleck wrote:
Arredondo is all but "new Colombian".
What exactly has he done that makes him "old"?
I never said "old", but definitely not "new". Well, here are some of his better results in this and past few years:
- 2014 Tirreno Adriatico - 5th GC
- 2013 Tour de Langkawi - 1st GC
- 2014 GP Camaiore - 3rd
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 4th GC
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 2nd KoM
- 2014 Tour de San Luis Stage 6 - 1st
- 2013 Tour of Japan - 2nd GC
- Few stage and GC wins in some 1.2 and 2.2 races.
I guess these results are enough to at least know his name. And being a part of one UWT team such as Trek should be another reason, also. Of course, I am not judging someone that doesn't know him, opposite actually, but being 25 y/o, winning 2.HC race, finishing in Top 5 in UWT race such as Tirreno is enough for me and everyone who's following cycling closely.
Ybodonk - I apologize if you found my post offensive, I definitely didn't want to sound rude, arrogant or anything similar.
All good friend. No problem or hard feelings from me
OH my God! When I was watching the final 10 KM I was disappointed Martin was nowhere. And then he almost won! Just comes up short. Would have won me a lot of PCM $, but I am very confident now ahead of LBL. Again he loses Fleche perhaps do to poor positioning going into the final. But like last year it looks great for Liege.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
So that means even Mollema would have been equal to 2011 Gilbert
I'm not sure what's going around when both the Cauberg and Huy's record get crushed, even heavily-EPO'ed times, in the space of 4 weeks, and that Contador seems to have found a second youth.
Nothing reassuring, actually.
Aquarius wrote:
I'm not sure what's going around when both the Cauberg and Huy's record get crushed, even heavily-EPO'ed times, in the space of 4 weeks, and that Contador seems to have found a second youth.
Nothing reassuring, actually.
Sure, it always sparks curiosity and doubt when a new record time is set, but I wouldn't say those records were crushed. 3 seconds, that's like... nothing. The EPO times were slower, yes, but it'd be weird for a sport to not improve it's discipline and times, especially on such short climbs. Cycling would be stagnating otherwise. Neither would I say Contador has found a second youth, guy is still 31.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
Aquarius wrote:
I'm not sure what's going around when both the Cauberg and Huy's record get crushed, even heavily-EPO'ed times, in the space of 4 weeks, and that Contador seems to have found a second youth.
Nothing reassuring, actually.
Sure, it always sparks curiosity and doubt when a new record time is set, but I wouldn't say those records were crushed. 3 seconds, that's like... nothing. The EPO times were slower, yes, but it'd be weird for a sport to not improve it's discipline and times, especially on such short climbs. Cycling would be stagnating otherwise. Neither would I say Contador has found a second youth, guy is still 31.
Bike's and gear is improving every year, so I think it could be that.
Yup. I didn't want to say it because it's the usual marginal gain stuff, but bike and training methods are improving. If they wouldn't, some people in charge would be severely disqualified.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
Yeah, technological advances that are nigh-on impossible to make due to UCI regulations have given more of an advantage than a wide array of doping methods. Sounds right to me.
Uhm, yeah, of course, bikes are better now than they were in the EPO times. If technological advancement is solely good enough to compensate for doping, I don't know, how should I? I never rode a bike by Armstrong, Rebellin or Valverde's current one, and neither did I ever dope. I don't list it as the sole reason for this development, just one amongst many possible explanations and reasons, some of them include doping too.
Also, isn't this whole thread about people complaining that nothing happens in this race and that in the good old times everything was more exciting? Riders just know they have to save their legs for the Mur. No favourites attack, no reason to react. I like to think I'm faster too when I save my energy for a specific moment, especially when it's a climb like the Mur de Huy, where you just go full-throttle for a kilometer and then whoever has it in his legs, has the win.
Edited by Shonak on 24-04-2014 11:35
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
I'm not sure what's going around when both the Cauberg and Huy's record get crushed, even heavily-EPO'ed times, in the space of 4 weeks, and that Contador seems to have found a second youth.
Nothing reassuring, actually.
What worries me is that the young Dutch actually compete with these guys (Poels in pays vasco with contador/valverde, Slagter/Mollema in these classics). So they must be on the same stuff.
The French however are dissapearing as fast as they appeared. Poor guys. Probably clean (I'm dead serious, not sarcastic or cynic)
