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Broken features of the game
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| Lachi |
Posted on 03-09-2013 21:38
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This year Cyanide introduced some crazy bugs but there are even older bugs and broken, incomplete or inconsistence features.
I like to collect all of them in one thread, so please use this thread to only post known problems. Please do not comment or discuss posted problems. Also please don't use this thread to ask if a certain problem in your career is a broken feature, instead post in the technical forum.
I will collect the problems you will post below.
The main focus of this thread will be about broken features because some of them are not even noticeable for the regular player.
Edited by Lachi on 06-09-2013 13:42
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| Lachi |
Posted on 03-09-2013 21:39
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Wrong potential estimation from scouts
Description
The potential estimation of the scout is random. Even the best scouts might rate a potential 3 rider as future great or the other way around.
Solutions
None
Sponsoring young riders does not help signing them
Description
Young riders sign the first contract which has been offered to them. They will neither wait for an offer of the team which sponsored them nor will they inform the team before signing a contract.
Solutions
None
Equipment stats has no effect on race outcome
Description
The stats of the equipment (flat/mountain/TT) neither raise nor lower the riders performance.
Solutions
According to a post of NTTHRASH, it should be possible to alter the stat factors in STA_equipment_delta_charac.
A different solution is to use a database where all equipment is available from the start, so that you can select it based on the looks.
Helpers complaining about race objectives
Description
Team mates and young riders are complaining about the assigned races although the are only helpers.
Solutions
To prevent them from complaining, you can assign them to other races on dates which they like. They might complain later if they cannot participate though.
Not relevant at the moment because rider happiness is not working, see below.
Riders becoming unhappy
Description
Riders will complain monthly about the numbers of races their are participating in. Also they complain about the prestige of these races. Even in January/February where there are only few races, they will complain and get unhappy.
Solutions
None
Rider happiness has no effect
Description
The happiness of the riders does not affect their race performance.
Solutions
None
Rider objectives: Reset button is broken
Description
The reset button does only raise the bars based on the assigned races. Even after deleting races or lowering its priority, the bars will not be lowered.
Solutions
1. Select all races
2. Change priority of races (if needed)
3. Right-click all bars to lower it to lowest level
4. Click the reset button
Sponsor contract renewal: No budget announced
Description
The actual sponsor will offer another contract but instead of giving a fix number, the new budget will be based on results.
Solutions
You can try to estimate the new budget when contacting riders. At the bottom there are several numbers indicating the next years budget but be aware it might be lower nevertheless.
Or you can sign with another sponsor, just wait until you have plenty of offers.
Team time trial give illogical results
Description
< 20km: impossible to archieve a good result
20 - 35km: quite realistic
> 35km: too easy, almost impossible NOT to achieve a good result
Solutions
Quick simulation gives reasonable results.
It is possible to play the stage to see if you can get a reasonable result, if not press ESC and cancel the race. Then load and use quick simulation instead.
Riders don't start to sprint
Description
Despite telling riders to sprint they simply continue to follow. This might happen in downhill sprints more often like the WC and MSR. It can be rather annoying as the only fix is quite slow and can ruin the sprint.
Solutions
Select another action (for example dot) and then back to sprint. Pause the game while doing so to prevent your rider falling way back.
Edited by Lachi on 05-10-2013 18:24
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| Lachi |
Posted on 03-09-2013 21:39
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Not only features are broken, here a BUG LIST as a short reference.
Management
Pro Tour teams don't participate in Continental races in summer.
Recuperation camps are not visible on the maps.
3D races
The controls don't work in the world champion road race.
Edited by Lachi on 25-09-2013 21:49
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| Lachi |
Posted on 03-09-2013 21:39
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Here I will collect everything which is not broken but should be changed, so basically a WISH LIST
Management
It should be possible to play in different currencies.
It should be possible to have more then one sponsor.
Good results should affect popularity of rider.
More nations should participate in U23 and WC races.
Nation ranking should affect WC slots.
The contract negotiations should be more logical. Riders should consider reputation of themselves and team. Also they should consider offered amount.
When offering contracts, riders might respond that they want to wait a little. But the never accept the offer. At least the e-mail content should be changed.
3D Races
Game should slow down whenever your own riders starts in TT.
Race AI:
- Break should not win a stage by 17 minutes
- Player is able to slow down the whole group (AI will not overtake, even if own rider is 2% individual effort)
- Favourites attacking on the base of the mountain
- In the beginning of the race, AI blocks the whole road
- All riders will be blocked on narrow roads but you cannot see it on the profile
- Water carrier can be blocked
- Own rider will not overtake even with 99% single effort because he is blocked
Simulation
Fitness should have less impact. (I prefer it like it is now)
Edited by Lachi on 06-09-2013 13:38
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| Lachi |
Posted on 03-09-2013 21:40
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This post will be about QUICK SIMULATION because this is another category of problems.
Assigning lead-out riders seems to have very unpredictable consequences. Even top lead-out riders in great shape often generate worse results than no lead-out. I get better results just assigning lead-outs to sprint for themselves instead.
Time gaps in quick simulation is too much based on stage categorization - if a stage is categorized as hilly time gaps are often big even if stage only has one or a few small hills. (I think, quick simulation does not consider the profile at all)
Edited by Lachi on 06-09-2013 13:39
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 04-09-2013 09:15
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-The removal of Co-sponsors into one sponsor.
-Something was up with Continental races in the second half of the season, riders not starting?
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| murfi |
Posted on 04-09-2013 10:22
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Rider Happiness:
(a) General consensus is that it has no effect on performances
(b) Its nuts that riders complain of not having enough races when they are doing 70+ racing days or likewise are unhappy of race prestige even though they've been doing grand tours, classics, etc
Team Time Trial:
Unplayable if you want better than losing 2 minutes to all other teams
Continental Races:
As mentioned above - Pro teams don't enter any Continental races through the summer |
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| Timer99 |
Posted on 04-09-2013 10:32
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Little addition to TTT´s:
- shorter than 20km: impossible to archieve a good result
- between 20 and 30km: quite realistic, possible to archieve a good result with
good riders
- longer than 30/35km: too easy, almost impossible NOT to archieve a good
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| itisix |
Posted on 04-09-2013 10:42
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- Actually knowing how much your sponsor offers for a contract renewal. As it is, you never know.
- Fix those crazy breaks. I've had 17 minutes on stage 1... it was a 2 day race and I won it. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 04-09-2013 10:46
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Not shore if it fits, but I think it does.
- Favourites attacking on the base of the mountain |
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 04-09-2013 18:59
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Rider renewing contracts in pcm 12 had no impact or base on anything!
It was random, someone could accept one contract and decline a better one, to go to a team when they are at their favourite team, or whatever else!
Also if they said they'd wait a bit it would never be renewed. Lots of features appear to have little effect, like what type of contract and whether they're a sprinter or not etc.
Also if you set it top pounds or dollars contract renewals are still in euros adding to ridiculous amounts of confusion
Dunno if this is fixed but thought I'd post it.
Edited by The Hobbit on 04-09-2013 19:00
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| greco |
Posted on 04-09-2013 21:49
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i´d have to mention riders blocking the way, which sometimes leads to catastrophic positioning in the peloton.
i´d also like to mention ai behaviour in the mountains. I´ve witnessed it happen on many occasions, that a gap has been made and i close this gap with my captain,. but when i join the favourites group, they simply stop riding. This happens eventhough, it is in their interest to ride and ride fast.
TTT´s: im rather baffled by the way they work, at first i thought it´d be wise to start out at effort of about 85, but that was way too low. I´d up t
Edited by greco on 04-09-2013 21:53
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 05-09-2013 06:30
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The mountain thing actually makes sense, but not that extent, remember Froome track standing Rodriguez in la Vielta last year, I know it failed, but still.
I guess you are the leader of the race in which case if they figure out if they are no l longer gaining time they may as well give up, and let you tire yourself out, though by refusing to work I was once caught by the groupetto!
I sort of doubt this is realistic though, it may either be a bug or like in Civ for example the ai is more trying to make sure you don't win than win themselves.
TTTs are weird but if you think about they are only making 20sec efforts so 93-99 pace is warranted,
Riders a re blocked in real life, but I guess they also have a brain to go round, notice you aren't blocked by lap riders. |
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| itisix |
Posted on 05-09-2013 09:43
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The blocking is a bit annoying at times. Sometimes, the peloton rides a flat front and it takes me ages and ages to move a rider to the front, and at times I really need to move fast to chase some escapee. |
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 05-09-2013 11:29
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Same, but I imagine its better than them morphing through each other.
Edit, sorry for discussing, please don't inflict terrible revenge!
Edited by The Hobbit on 05-09-2013 12:04
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 05-09-2013 11:48
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Lachi wrote:
Please do not comment or discuss posted problems.
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 05-09-2013 11:55
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At least in PCM '12 the Value was always "happy to stay with the Team", even if he say's he'll wait until july or already signed a contract at a different Team.
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| dacascos |
Posted on 05-09-2013 13:21
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I haven't purchased PCM13 because reading about it there is no reason to upgrade, but the below things have been there for many previous releases and are present at PCM12 so I hope it helps still.
- The default race roles (leader, free element etc) jump around for several riders when making one change. Also the assign catch breakaway for all team mates does not always work.
- Not sure if bug, but automatic slow down of game when your own riders start in TT is not available causing constant annoyance and wastes time running TTs.
- Star riders getting signed by any team, e.g. Cavendish signed by Rabobank Development Team before his stats even declined.
I think the fitness decline is a bit too abrupt based on days raced, especially after a long race period it shouldn't matter so much if a rider raced 60 or 70 days many months earlier.
- Monitoring of riders by scout can sometimes take 40 days without revealing a single stat, and sometimes 3 stats after a week or so.
- Too many declines by top riders for world championships (and/or no fitness) makes WC useless.
- Fitness having way too high impact on quick simulation, especially for sprinters.
- Sponsor extension not possible until July 1st makes no sense as an absolute date
- Sometimes not possible to select riders with cursor to follow them in gameplay, have to move forward or keep double-clicking on various riders until one is selected.
- Playing "chicken race" with AI breakaway companions to start sprint is flawed. Just to test it I went on effort ~5 last 3km and opponent wouldn't for anything in the world resulting in peletion gaining 5 minutes and passing us.
Edited by dacascos on 05-09-2013 13:37
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| Lachi |
Posted on 05-09-2013 19:44
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@dacascos: Some good point you wrote there. I will omit the points which are not present in PCM13 any more
@all: I am busy in the job right now, will update later...
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| edge0125 |
Posted on 06-09-2013 02:02
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Riders results have no impact on he riders popularity |
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