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| RedDisciple |
Posted on 08-01-2013 18:03
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I will be straight.I can't win cobblestones races, it's impossible for me.I'm using a custom team where I have Cancellara, Boonen, Gilbert and Boasson Hagen.So I have the 2 best cobblestones ryders and 2 good helpers as well, and I'm also playing at NORMAL difficulty.I tried all kinds of strategies and I played a lot of cobblestones races but it's just pointless when a guy like Flecha attacks on a cobblestone portion and Cancellara/Boonen can't even follow him.
I also followed the tutorials from this topic:
https://pcmdaily.c...d_id=19662
Do you have any other suggestions or some video tutorials please ?
Edited by RedDisciple on 08-01-2013 21:26
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 08-01-2013 18:06
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Hmm... One of these tutorials maybe?
https://www.pcmdaily.com/tipstricks.ph....php?cat=4
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-01-2013 18:42
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Tips and Tricks section!!!
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| RedDisciple |
Posted on 08-01-2013 18:48
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All the tutorials basically say the same thing but none seems to work for me unfortunately...
Edited by RedDisciple on 08-01-2013 18:49
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| sieve |
Posted on 08-01-2013 20:16
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It should be easy to win with Boonen, and with Canchellara also, you have a strong 1-2 punch.
Can you outline your current race strategy so we can identify flaws and point out areas for improvement? |
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| Rammus |
Posted on 08-01-2013 20:24
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You can win in many styles on cobblestone races provided you follow two points:
1) Don't use attack/follow attack on a cobblestone section
2) Never raise your effort on cobblestone sections above 50 (40 is good 90% of the time) If you really must you can allow yourself one section at 60, but not recommended unless right at the end of the stage.
Otherwise literally you can do anything and still win. You can even solo attack with either Boonen or Cancellara on Flanders/Roubaix (remember only a road section) with over 120km to go (effort 40 on cobbles, 60 on road [increase up to 80 in the last 30km]) and take a win by a minute on normal. If they do a double attack you can probably take 5 minutes ! |
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| RedDisciple |
Posted on 08-01-2013 20:34
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sieve wrote:
It should be easy to win with Boonen, and with Canchellara also, you have a strong 1-2 punch.
Can you outline your current race strategy so we can identify flaws and point out areas for improvement?
I usually get all my riders in front at the start at the race with relay at about 50 % and then I put all of my ryders on hold at about 60-70 %.Then I'll just wait untill the last 40 km, where I usually have Cancellara, Boonen and Gilbert still in front, sometimes even Boasson Hagen.
Then, in 90 % of the cases, the inevitable happens and Flecha attacks and wins it easily.He usually attacks at the end of the cobble section, where is impossible to follow him.
By that time, Gilbert is almost empty so I can't organize a chase with him.If I organize a chase with only one ryder, either Cancellara or Boonen it isn't enough to catch Flecha, If I organize a chase with both of them, by the time I catch him, IF I catch him, both ryders are empty and in a mass sprint will win someone from the Peleton.
Edited by RedDisciple on 08-01-2013 21:26
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 08-01-2013 20:34
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Wait, what? You let Boonen and Cancellara help pacing the peloton all day? 
Why?
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| RedDisciple |
Posted on 08-01-2013 20:35
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Wait, what? You let Boonen and Cancellara help pacing the peloton all day?
Why?
No, where I said that?
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 08-01-2013 20:41
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You said that you take all your riders to the front pacing, but I missed the "then I put them on hold" part. My mistake. 
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 08-01-2013 20:41
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Why is it impossible to follow Flecha?
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| RedDisciple |
Posted on 08-01-2013 20:44
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lluuiiggii wrote:
Why is it impossible to follow Flecha?
If I use FOLLOW or I use the DOT, it will drain their energy very quicly because of the cobble, it's very frustrating.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-01-2013 20:46
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RedDisciple wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Why is it impossible to follow Flecha?
If I use FOLLOW or I use the DOT, it will drain their energy very quicly because of the cobble, it's very frustrating.
but you said he attacks on normal roads?
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| RedDisciple |
Posted on 08-01-2013 20:50
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TheManxMissile wrote:
RedDisciple wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Why is it impossible to follow Flecha?
If I use FOLLOW or I use the DOT, it will drain their energy very quicly because of the cobble, it's very frustrating.
but you said he attacks on normal roads?
I said "He usually attacks at the end of the cobble section, where is impossible to follow him."
I meant that there is still almost 1/3 from the cobble section left.
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| sieve |
Posted on 08-01-2013 21:22
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I usually get all my riders in front at the start at the race with relay at about 50 % and then I put all of my ryders on hold at about 60-70 %.
OK
Then I'll just wait untill the last 40 km, where I usually have Cancellara, Boonen and Gilbert still in front, sometimes even Boasson Hagen.
OK
Then, in 90 % of the cases, the inevitable happens and Fletcha attacks
Yes
By that time, Gilbert is almost empty so I can't organize a chase with him.
I don't recall what his cobble rating is offhand, but OK
If I organize a chase with only one ryder, either Cancellara or Boonen it isn't enough to catch Fletcha, If I organize a chase with both of them, by the time I catch him, IF I catch him, both ryders are empty
There are 3 riders in the peloton who can reliably hang with and chase down Flecha and you have 2 of them. I would say Ballan is the other. Either Boonen or Canchellara should be able to chase down Flecha solo at that stage in the race as you've described it, but with them working together, it should be easy.
Those 2 guys (and others if you have them) can relay 70-75 on the tarmac (maybe even up to 80 if needed) and that will pull back a lot of time on the breakaway. Make sure to put them on dot and reduce their effort over the cobbles. 50-55 dot should do. Anything more will really drain your red & yellow bars. When you catch the breakaway, you should be within 18km, so you can just follow him and let him do all the work until you set up for a sprint finish.
Another option would be to hang near and keep an eye on Flecha with 1/3 to go. He'll attack on a cobble section. Immediately follow his attack with Boonen and/or Canchellara. Flecha will likely give up when he can't escape. He'll attack again though. So repeat. Granted, following an attack on cobbles will drain your bars, but not as much as the attacker himself (especially after multiple attempts), and he'll get less distance on you if he does manage to get away. If he doesn't get too far away, the peloton might help pull him back. |
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| sieve |
Posted on 08-01-2013 21:28
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If I use FOLLOW or I use the DOT, it will drain their energy very quicly because of the cobble
Boonen and Canchellara can go dot 50-55 over the cobbles without much problem. Anything above that is a drain.
The follower will use less energy than the attacker, so keep in mind that he's draining pretty good, but if you go over 55 effort following an attack on cobbles, expect red and yellow bar drain. |
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| RedDisciple |
Posted on 08-01-2013 21:55
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Just tried both options 3 times each, Flecha won 6/6.
Option 1.Chase him down after he attacks.
NO CHANCE.Cancellara and Boonen were after him, both on dot 80 on flat and 55 on cobble and didn't even got NEAR him.One time Flecha also had Ballan with him.
Option 2.Follow his attacks
It's working when he attacks the first time, but when he attacks the second time he gets away and I can't chase him back.
Either I'm to ******* nob at this game, either it's impossible to beat this c***.It's the Ronde Van Vlaanderen by the way, and I played it more than 100 times these days.
Edited by RedDisciple on 08-01-2013 22:07
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| sieve |
Posted on 08-01-2013 22:09
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Just tried both options 3 times each, Flecha won 6/6.
My posts weren't that long ago (eta approx 1/2 hour). How could you possibly do 6 live 3D races, or even one?!?
Edited by sieve on 08-01-2013 22:11
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| RedDisciple |
Posted on 08-01-2013 22:21
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sieve wrote:
Just tried both options 3 times each, Flecha won 6/6.
My posts weren't that long ago (eta approx 1/2 hour). How could you possibly do 6 live 3D races, or even one?!?
It takes me 1 maximum 2 minutes to reach the last 40 km of the race playing on X8, and using almost the same tactic after that it's not very hard.
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| sieve |
Posted on 08-01-2013 22:37
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It takes me 1 maximum 2 minutes to reach the last 40 km of the race playing on X8, and using almost the same tactic after that it's not very hard.
That's the problem.
You're essentially simulating the race, except with forced tactics, which is worse.
If you want to win, you need to more actively manage your riders than what you are doing.
Try playing it with little or no fast forwards. |
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