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Hills vs Mountains
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| MacC |
Posted on 26-04-2011 12:00
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So I know there is a figure in the database for ecah stage from 0-1 to show how mountiany it is. My question is is there any way of seeing this figure without checking the database? If the race profile shows a red mountain profile dores this mean its a "1" and therefore only the mountian stat (and nopt the hill stat) applies?
Is there a similar figure somwhere that shows how hilly vs flat a stage is?
If for example the figure is "0" does thsi mean that only the flat stat applies?
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| Lachi |
Posted on 26-04-2011 12:25
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Normally a mountain stage has a mountain factor of 1.
A hilly or flat stage might have a mountain factor of 0.
This factor is not a indication how mountainious a stage is.
This factor applies to all climbs in a stage, no matter how long or step they are.
This factor tells the game which rider stat it should use when it is going up.
Understanding this should make it obvious that there is no need for a hilly vs. flat factor. On flat roads, the game uses the flat stat.
You cannot be sure about the value in the DB because the DB-maker or stage-maker could have messed it up.
Also some hilly stages could have a higher value because the climbs are more mountainious.
Also there is no way to see it in the game.
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| MacC |
Posted on 26-04-2011 14:22
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Thanks Lachi
Am i right in presuming that the "uphill sprint" figur determines the importance of sprint vs hill stats in hilly sprint finishes? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 26-04-2011 14:25
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Yes. |
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| Munique |
Posted on 26-04-2011 21:11
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Just to make sure I get it right:
Is the factor the same for all climbs in the stage, or does it vary from every climb, meaning that the climb and not the stage determines the factor?
- if the same factor does apply to all climbs independent of length and steepness, this can't possibly mean that a high mountain stat is favoured even on the more hilly climbs of the stage?
Edited by Munique on 26-04-2011 21:16
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 26-04-2011 21:13
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The factor is the same for all climbs in the stage. |
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| Munique |
Posted on 26-04-2011 21:16
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- if the same factor does apply to all climbs independent of length and steepness, this can't possibly mean that a high mountain stat is favoured even on the more hilly climbs of the stage? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 26-04-2011 21:19
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If the stage is full of hilly climbs, why would a DB maker set the value to 1? If it's hilly, it's more likely to be e.g. 0.5 or lower, depending on the length and steepness of the climbs. |
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| Munique |
Posted on 26-04-2011 21:23
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But there may be both some very mountanious climbs and some very hilly climbs - it does not seem realistic to me that the same stat relation is favoured on both type of climbs. E.g. a rider with a high mountain stat would do better on the first hilly climbs than hilly riders, simply because the 2nd half of the stage is much more mountanious.
Edited by Munique on 26-04-2011 21:28
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 26-04-2011 21:32
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It's not realistic, but that's the way it is.
As a DB-maker, you have to worry about the end result. If the stage ends with Tourmalet, you have to set it to 1, even if there are plenty of shorter and less steep climbs before the Tourmalet.
If it was set to 0,5 or similiar, you'd have the likes of Gilbert, Cunego etc. winning the stage. |
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| Munique |
Posted on 26-04-2011 21:37
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Yeah, I see - just needed someone to agree with my point  . Can imagine the hard work of applying factors all over the stage if it was even possible. |
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