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[CT] SEE Turtles '24 | Mid-Season Review
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| Caspi |
Posted on 23-09-2024 08:07
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I really like your goals. Uppsala will be very tough, but all five can potentially be reached with some luck.
I think you'll achieve success in Monterrey and either Olympia or La Tropicale Amissa Bongo, leaving you with two or three goals in the bag end-of-season, depending on the final team standings.
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| seancoll |
Posted on 27-09-2024 15:11
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@Caspi I was really hoping when I sent in my goals that I could catch some teams off guard in Uppsala if people didn't notice the parcours change. I think that I've missed the mark there, but we shall see. It's unlikely for a win, but I should still be able to get some top results. Plus, I knew my win goal would be the least likely of my race goals, as I think the others are all relatively achievable.
@TheManxMissile Oh I'm ready for the frustrations. I've avoided a lot of uphills, but you can't avoid them all so hoping to just get a few breakaway appearances TTT successes in the other races I had to fill the calendar with. Otherwise, I feel like this was worth the risk this year. Nothing wrong with being a mid-table team, at least because I think I've avoided the bottom with this strategy.
@DarkWolf I think sprint will definitely matter, especially if you're planning on bringing Coquard (please don't). I knew it was a huge risk going for this one, but I think the PR will make more of a difference than last year even. Given there's no long ITT, it should mostly be sprinters with PRL stats at the top, followed by the specialists would be my guess. I'm totally fine if we both find success.
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| seancoll |
Posted on 27-09-2024 15:54
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SEE Turtles 2024 Point Predictions
This endeavor is a new one for us this year, with nothing other than the a year of experience under our belt. As I indicated in my "semi-lazy, semi-flawed" preview, I think this prediction is very aggressive, but I do feel achievable. Even if the results come out a few hundred points below, we think this team is set up for success!
| Name | 2023 Points | Projected Points | | Atsushi Oka | 170 | 134 | | Faycal Hamza | 196 | 181 | | Julian Cardona | 80 | 176 | | Similo Nyoni | 10 | 175 |
The point totals here rely on a few assumptions - 1) Our top 5 TTTers are the first 5 to cross the line in our TTT races; 2) Our TTT strategy from 2023 holds strong; 3) Unnecessary splits don't hurt us on flat stages. Just like last season, we are hoping for major point hauls in a couple of TT specific races - Olympia's Tour, Herald Sun Tour, C1+C2 TTT classics, Post Danmark Rundt, and La Tropicale Amissa Bongo. While we haven't predicted quite the success we had last year there, we do think those will be major factors for us and be the determining factor of the season.
| Name | 2023 Points | Projected Points | | German Nicolas Tivani | 182 | 208 | | Luke Keough | 170 | 312 | | Alex Frame | 40 | 134 |
Keough is our predicted top scorer, and he better be for the fee we paid this year. Keough's scoring relies on races like Uppsala Classic, Baltic Chain Tour, and La Tropicale Amissa Bongo more than anywhere else. His combination of sprint and prologue needs to carry him through this year. Tivani also sees an increase this year based on race allocation. He will see a huge number of flat classics and even just averaging 15th in a C1/HC field and 7th in C2 fields should bring him an increased total. A win or two somewhere doesn't seem out of the question. Frame also looks for GC results in our prologue races and an occasional sprint point.
| Name | 2023 Points | Projected Points | | German Anibal Orue | 51 | 154 | | Jimmy Muhindo | 16 | 22 | | Chequan Richardson | 42 | 89 | | Robert Bush | 109 | 5 | | Leandro Marcos | 90 | 1 |
With only Richardson competing in CT last season and the SEE Turtles completely avoiding anything that even looks like a cobble, we had no idea what should happen here. Still, we are hoping that Orue and Richardson mainly get depth results - somewhere 10-15th by making the final group in most races and occasionally breaking through otherwise. With no finishing points, Marcos, Bush and Muhindo won't rack up points much, but maybe with some even weaker CT cobble fields they'll earn more than expected.
| Name | 2023 Points | Projected Points | | Kashyapa Siriwardena | 33 | 16 | | Ahmad Arissol | 9 | 0 | | Bryan Raul Obando | 3 | 0 | | Harold Martin Lopez | 1 | 0 | | Joshua Kelly | 88 | 60 | | Franklin Joel Revelo | -- | 0 | | Finn Fisher-Black | 7 | 10 | | Magnus Sheffield | -- | 5 |
Kelly has to sit here as a domestique, but major points are expected due to the TTT. Siriwardena also expects to benefit from the TTT setup and find some lower level GC results throughout the season when they can figure out not to lose time in the mountains - like in Tour de Vineyards last year. No major expectations for our other domestiques, but hopefully they score in a breakaway or manage a nice result somewhere.
Official Total Prediction: 1722 points
It would take a fantastic season to hit this prediction, but we think we can find the points to at least challenge this. The increase challenge of TTers in the division will certainly be a hurdle, but we're ready to face it.
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Many thanks to those who inspired this post
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| Laurens147 |
Posted on 30-09-2024 09:24
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Cool to see another points prediction  My worry is the sprint department, that 654 seems like a lot of expected points for the 3 sprinters.
Good luck this season!
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Posted on 01-10-2024 08:37
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Would be great to see your team climb up the standings and get into promotion contention 
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 01-10-2024 10:48
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Sprinting points might be a bit too much indeed, but on the other hand sprinters only need one result above their level in a race like HC/C1 and can get there quickly. And if there is one department where riders can punch above their level, it's definitely this one. I hope FFB does get the 10 points you would like from him
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| seancoll |
Posted on 12-10-2024 22:47
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SEE Turtles January Preview
| Nat. | Name | FL | MO | HI | ST | RS | SP | AC | FG |  | German Anibal Orue | 69 | 50 | 64 | 77 | 70 | 53 | 58 | 78 |  | Jimmy Muhindo | 74 | 58 | 67 | 74 | 71 | 68 | 64 | 76 |  | Leandro Marcos | 73 | 61 | 72 | 69 | 63 | 64 | 68 | 72 |  | Finn Fisher-Black | 64 | 63 | 64 | 66 | 71 | 60 | 71 | 69 |  | Harold Martin Lopez | 63 | 71 | 68 | 67 | 69 | 62 | 64 | 60 | | Franklin Joel Revelo | 68 | 68 | 69 | 67 | 68 | 60 | 64 | 65 |  | German Nicolas Tivano | 70 | 63 | 67 | 68 | 78 | 77 | 78 | 72 | | Bryan Raul Obando | 63 | 71 | 69 | 66 | 69 | 60 | 62 | 74 |
We open our season on the first day of the season in Australia for the Down Under Classic. We're putting our hopes in Tivani who performed very well against strong PCT competition in the Tour of America last year. A Top 15 is our expectation and given how sprints appear to function, we think this is reasonable even though Tivani sits far down the list of expected sprinters. We also expect to get in the breakaways, even if they are short lived due to stage length. Muhindo, Orue, and Obando all like to find their way to the breakaway. A number of our developing riders also appear here, including Fisher-Black on loan. We had to let him compete close to home.
Nakhon Ratchasima Trophy - C2
| Nat. | Name | FL | MO | HI | ST | RS | SP | AC | FG | | German Anibal Orue | 69 | 50 | 64 | 77 | 70 | 53 | 58 | 78 | | Jimmy Muhindo | 74 | 58 | 67 | 74 | 71 | 68 | 64 | 76 | | Leandro Marcos | 73 | 61 | 72 | 69 | 63 | 64 | 68 | 72 | | Finn Fisher-Black | 64 | 63 | 64 | 66 | 71 | 60 | 71 | 69 | | Harold Martin Lopez | 63 | 71 | 68 | 67 | 69 | 62 | 64 | 60 | | Franklin Joel Revelo | 68 | 68 | 69 | 67 | 68 | 60 | 64 | 65 | | German Nicolas Tivano | 70 | 63 | 67 | 68 | 78 | 77 | 78 | 72 | | Bryan Raul Obando | 63 | 71 | 69 | 66 | 69 | 60 | 62 | 74 |
Well, well, look again! It's the exact same team for another flat classic. A much longer race this time, we should be much better equipped to managed a decent breakaway attempt as we expect not to have the strongest sprinter of the group with Tivani although he does manage a long race well. This race went to the breakaway last season, so whether we just hope to put a rider or two there with Tivani a lower tier sprinter. We budgeted a 5th place here which is likely fair too bold, but very achievable.
Our full schedule can be found at the beginning of our HQ and we're excited to try some different races this year. As we are able, we'll try to share our expectations ahead of time, but our original expectations could really be blown out of the water (in a good or bad way) very quickly.
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| seancoll |
Posted on 25-10-2024 23:07
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SEE Turtles January Review
A rough start to the season where our likely sprinter Tivani was never pictured and didn't bother to even sprint. We knew this was a risk with such a deep sprint field and on a short course. Muhindo is seen above fighting as an attacker in the final km to bring us 22nd place. Revelo tried to find the break, but after missing the first move couldn't make a difference
Nakhon Ratchasima Trophy - C2
Well, well, look again! It's the exact same team for another flat classic. But a HUGELY different result! Franklin Joel Revelo earns the team's first classic win in history. Revelo made sure to find the breakaway alongside Obando. Obando realized Revelo had the better legs and worked most of the day to ensure the breakaway wasn't caught. What a sprint to find his way through his breakaway companions and land atop the podium!
| Race | Projected Points | Earned Points | | Down Under Classic | 12 | 5 | | Nakhon Ratchasima Trophy | 23 | 50 | | Total | 37 | 55 (+18) |
Always great to end a month higher than projected, especially on two sprint races. Looking forward to February!
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| seancoll |
Posted on 26-10-2024 04:13
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SEE Turtles February Preview
A very big February for the SEE Turtles, with a number of different opportunities - including a very important test at the Isle of Man TTT. One of our most packed months across the calendar will make this crucial.
| Nat. | Name | FL | MO | HI | TT | ST | RS | RC | CB | SP | AC | FG | DH | PR |  | Chequan Richardson | 71 | 61 | 67 | 63 | 68 | 68 | 64 | 78 | 60 | 61 | 75 | 66 | 63 | | Jimmy Muhindo | 74 | 58 | 67 | 65 | 74 | 71 | 68 | 75 | 68 | 64 | 76 | 65 | 65 | | Leandro Marcos | 73 | 61 | 72 | 62 | 69 | 63 | 67 | 73 | 64 | 68 | 72 | 63 | 64 | | German Anibal Orue | 69 | 50 | 64 | 64 | 77 | 70 | 56 | 78 | 53 | 58 | 78 | 73 | 68 |  | Robert Bush | 71 | 60 | 60 | 59 | 70 | 68 | 66 | 75 | 68 | 68 | 63 | 71 | 59 |  | Ahmad Arissol | 73 | 65 | 70 | 71 | 68 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 61 | 66 | 75 | 69 | 70 | | Magnus Sheffield | 69 | 64 | 67 | 70 | 66 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 65 | 68 | 72 | 72 | 68 | | Franklin Joel Revelo | 68 | 68 | 69 | 57 | 67 | 68 | 65 | 58 | 60 | 64 | 65 | 69 | 62 |
Our first cobbled race in SEE Turtles history sees a team that is likely to be found again and again on the bumpy terrain. Richardson and Orue are the main hopes here to pull through in a small group. We never expect the win in a cobbled race, but the goal is to show ourselves strongly. Just an overall prediction for 13 points here, but we think that this could be matched for sure in a variety of ways.
| Nat. | Name | FL | MO | HI | TT | ST | RS | RC | CB | SP | AC | FG | DH | PR |  | Julian Cardona | 73 | 64 | 63 | 77 | 72 | 74 | 68 | 62 | 64 | 67 | 62 | 65 | 77 |  | Similo Nyoni | 69 | 56 | 62 | 77 | 67 | 72 | 69 | 52 | 70 | 68 | 71 | 64 | 77 | | Ahmad Arissol | 73 | 65 | 70 | 71 | 68 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 61 | 66 | 75 | 69 | 70 | | Magnus Sheffield | 69 | 64 | 67 | 70 | 66 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 65 | 68 | 72 | 72 | 68 |  | Faycal Hamza | 74 | 52 | 63 | 76 | 74 | 73 | 70 | 50 | 56 | 68 | 69 | 63 | 79 |  | Atsushi Oka | 73 | 65 | 67 | 74 | 71 | 72 | 73 | 64 | 76 | 76 | 67 | 64 | 79 |  | Joshua Kelly | 73 | 66 | 72 | 74 | 69 | 73 | 60 | 60 | 71 | 72 | 72 | 62 | 76 |  | Kashyapa Siriwardena | 67 | 74 | 73 | 72 | 71 | 73 | 72 | 56 | 58 | 68 | 74 | 65 | 72 |
After a few sprints and a cobbled race, the SEE Turtles are finally ready to hit the race against the clock - our favorite discipline. We believe our lineup has improved over last year, but only time will tell. Given the depth at PCT and CT, preseason expectations were an 8th place which we think will be around where we finish. We hope the TTT plan holds strong again this year, or it could be a long year.
| Nat. | Name | FL | MO | HI | TT | ST | RS | RC | CB | SP | AC | FG | DH | PR | | Chequan Richardson | 71 | 61 | 67 | 63 | 68 | 68 | 64 | 78 | 60 | 61 | 75 | 66 | 63 | | Jimmy Muhindo | 74 | 58 | 67 | 65 | 74 | 71 | 68 | 75 | 68 | 64 | 76 | 65 | 65 | | Leandro Marcos | 73 | 61 | 72 | 62 | 69 | 63 | 67 | 73 | 64 | 68 | 72 | 63 | 64 | | German Anibal Orue | 69 | 50 | 64 | 64 | 77 | 70 | 56 | 78 | 53 | 58 | 78 | 73 | 68 | | Robert Bush | 71 | 60 | 60 | 59 | 70 | 68 | 66 | 75 | 68 | 68 | 63 | 71 | 59 | | Ahmad Arissol | 73 | 65 | 70 | 71 | 68 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 61 | 66 | 75 | 69 | 70 | | Magnus Sheffield | 69 | 64 | 67 | 70 | 66 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 65 | 68 | 72 | 72 | 68 | | Franklin Joel Revelo | 68 | 68 | 69 | 57 | 67 | 68 | 65 | 58 | 60 | 64 | 65 | 69 | 62 |
We said you should expect to see similar lineups at the cobbled races and this is no exception. Richardson has a 10th and 11th place at this race before while Orue hasn't found that same success. Marcos also has a good past result. There's enough cobbled sectors that we think our team strength can really keep us to the front of the race. Much better past experience and belief in our riders lead us to expect 43 points combined if things can go well.
| Nat. | Name | FL | MO | HI | TT | ST | RS | RC | CB | SP | AC | FG | DH | PR | | Similo Nyoni | 69 | 56 | 62 | 77 | 67 | 72 | 69 | 52 | 70 | 68 | 71 | 64 | 77 | | Ahmad Arissol | 73 | 65 | 70 | 71 | 68 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 61 | 66 | 75 | 69 | 70 | | Alex Frame | 71 | 50 | 62 | 69 | 69 | 74 | 72 | 62 | 77 | 76 | 52 | 68 | 79 | | Magnus Sheffield | 69 | 64 | 67 | 70 | 66 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 65 | 68 | 72 | 72 | 68 | | Joshua Kelly | 73 | 66 | 72 | 74 | 69 | 73 | 60 | 60 | 71 | 72 | 72 | 62 | 76 | | Harold Martin Lopez | 63 | 71 | 68 | 66 | 67 | 69 | 67 | 58 | 62 | 64 | 60 | 62 | 64 | | Bryan Raul Obando | 63 | 71 | 69 | 68 | 66 | 69 | 71 | 51 | 60 | 62 | 74 | 64 | 69 | | Kashyapa Siriwardena | 67 | 74 | 73 | 72 | 71 | 73 | 72 | 56 | 58 | 68 | 74 | 65 | 72 |
In planning, we were excited to see another TTT present, but this one simply cannot earn a full TTT squad. Likely not strong enough to beat the lot, it should still represent well. Still, we hope to come away with a measly 5 points from the 6 stages. Siriwardena could find his way to a surprise GC result through a mountain break, and almost every rider should be able to find success in a breakaway of some type. Frame should serve as an outside sprint threat and potentially contribute that way as well.
| Nat. | Name | FL | MO | HI | TT | ST | RS | RC | CB | SP | AC | FG | DH | PR | | Luke Keough | 72 | 59 | 61 | 57 | 65 | 71 | 71 | 58 | 78 | 77 | 62 | 74 | 79 | | German Nicolas Tivani | 70 | 63 | 67 | 63 | 68 | 78 | 76 | 56 | 77 | 78 | 72 | 68 | 72 | | Joshua Kelly | 73 | 66 | 72 | 74 | 69 | 73 | 60 | 60 | 71 | 72 | 72 | 62 | 76 | | Harold Martin Lopez | 63 | 71 | 68 | 66 | 67 | 69 | 67 | 58 | 62 | 64 | 60 | 62 | 64 | | Franklin Joel Revelo | 68 | 68 | 69 | 57 | 67 | 68 | 65 | 58 | 60 | 64 | 65 | 69 | 62 | | Bryan Raul Obando | 63 | 71 | 69 | 68 | 66 | 69 | 71 | 51 | 60 | 62 | 74 | 64 | 69 | | Finn Fisher-Black | 64 | 63 | 64 | 64 | 66 | 71 | 63 | 60 | 60 | 71 | 69 | 67 | 74 | | Kashyapa Siriwardena | 67 | 74 | 73 | 72 | 71 | 73 | 72 | 56 | 58 | 68 | 74 | 65 | 72 |
This year, management decided that investment in HC races was important for the future of the team which brings us between our two home countries. The first of only a few races this year where Keough and Tivani team up, we aren't sure which one will take the primary sprints. Hopefully both can earn some sort of bonus throughout the race to push themselves into low GC positions while a few stage results of some type would be nice The rest of the team is set-up to find some breakaways and keep sponsors entertained. 35 points is a hopeful prediction - could really benefit well or end up a whopping zero if we fail to compete in the sprints.
Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne - C1
| Nat. | Name | FL | MO | HI | TT | ST | RS | RC | CB | SP | AC | FG | DH | PR | | Chequan Richardson | 71 | 61 | 67 | 63 | 68 | 68 | 64 | 78 | 60 | 61 | 75 | 66 | 63 | | Julian Cardona | 73 | 64 | 63 | 77 | 72 | 74 | 68 | 62 | 64 | 67 | 62 | 65 | 77 | | Jimmy Muhindo | 74 | 58 | 67 | 65 | 74 | 71 | 68 | 75 | 68 | 64 | 76 | 65 | 65 | | Leandro Marcos | 73 | 61 | 72 | 62 | 69 | 63 | 67 | 73 | 64 | 68 | 72 | 63 | 64 | | German Anibal Orue | 69 | 50 | 64 | 64 | 77 | 70 | 56 | 78 | 53 | 58 | 78 | 73 | 68 | | Robert Bush | 71 | 60 | 60 | 59 | 70 | 68 | 66 | 75 | 68 | 68 | 63 | 71 | 59 | | Ahmad Arissol | 73 | 65 | 70 | 71 | 68 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 61 | 66 | 75 | 69 | 70 | | Magnus Sheffield | 69 | 64 | 67 | 70 | 66 | 71 | 69 | 71 | 65 | 68 | 72 | 72 | 68 |
A slight change of line-up for KBK as Revelo needs to earn experience in Juarez as opposed to Belgium. Just 13 points expected here if Richardson and Orue can find themselves into a reduced group of some type. Doesn't need to be a major result, but enough consistency to stay near the front. Maybe one of the others will spring an attack and force weaker teams to battle.
Our full schedule can be found at the beginning of our HQ and we're excited to try some different races this year. As we are able, we'll try to share our expectations ahead of time, but our original expectations could really be blown out of the water (in a good or bad way) very quickly.
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| liefwarrior |
Posted on 28-10-2024 23:04
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What an excellent finish to January that was. A truly historic moment for a team that did not look set to pick up any significant palmarès this year. I'm interested to see whether the team can cobble anything together on the paves but it may very well be a lean February for you unless some more breakaway magic occurs.
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| Caspi |
Posted on 29-10-2024 09:29
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Very important month coming up for you.
Catalunya will probably be tough, but 5 points should be doable for Frame in a sprint or through breakaways.
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| seancoll |
Posted on 19-11-2024 23:58
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SEE Turtles February Review
A bit of a different style review for February, because there really aren't that many positive photos of us to highlight across a much bigger month for the team.
Isle of Man TTT has to be the main highlight of the month with a very strong 6th place on the day. Only 15 seconds different between the front and us in 6th also shows us that we've strengthened this area as expected - but others have also invested in this area. Still, this goes exactly to plan and that shows us that we made good choices in some capacity. Failure here would have sent us into a complete spiral
All remaining races of the month gave us negative points compared to our expectations, although manageable numbers. We started our cobble campaigns and Muhindo is showing himself as a great addition. Orue is struggling alongside Richardson compared to expectations, but Orue is at least still making some smaller groups.
We knew that Catalunya would be a disaster from the second we picked our races and couldn't put the full TTT team there. On the other hand, we didn't expect Juarez to be quite as hard as it was and that we would COMPLETELY miss the 5 breakaway days. That probably has to be the biggest disappoint where some KOM or sprint bonus points would have made a huge difference in the GC. Keough invisible.
| Race | Projected Points | Earned Points | | Gent-Wevelgem | 13 | 1 | | Isle of Man TTT | 25 | 35 | | GP Herning | 43 | 22 | | Volta a Catalunya | 5 | 3 | | Circulo de Juarez | 35 | 5 | | Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne | 13 | 1 | | Total | 134 | 67 (-67) |
February wasn't supposed to be a big month for us in terms of points, but we still underperformed and in a lot of race days. Hopefully March allows us to turn that around, but as long as we nickel and dime until May - we should be okay.
Edit: Some recalculations show us we were even worse than we originally thought. Still same thoughts for us regardless of our inability to read the Point Scales correctly.
Edited by seancoll on 20-11-2024 22:43
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| Caspi |
Posted on 21-11-2024 10:33
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Not a good month for you, but Isle of Man shows that things can still go your way. To me, it feels like your tactics is balancing on a knife edge. The turtles might underperform, or you could hit the jackpot with a little luck in the right races
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| seancoll |
Posted on 14-02-2025 21:53
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seancoll wrote:
| CT Team Standings | Top 5 | | C2 Uppsala Classic | Win | | | C2 Monterrey TTT | Top 5 | | C2 Olympia's Tour | Top 5 | | C1 La Tropicale Amissa Bongo | Top 5 |
Halfway through the season and it has been a challenging set-up for our roster. Only two wins so far, Revelo with the surprise in Nakhon and then a TTT stage win in Olympia's Tour are highlighting our successes.
Still, we want to highlight... 2/2 goal successes so far!
C2 Monterrey TTT occurred today and a 3rd place will absolutely work towards our goal. We knew that banking on a win with a division that was angling toward TT would be too much of a challenge so our top 5 result was easily decided and established!
Our Olympia's Tour success carries over another season! Last year, a huge point total pushed us into the top 10 of the team standings as our only goal pass of the previous season. This year, we've already eclipsed that although we couldn't rely on quite so many points. We'll officially await Fabianski's official readings, but we believe 224 points are headed our way this year after a fantastic 2-3-4 team performance in the GC and a Stage 4 TTT victory.
Still, the next two will still be major struggles, but we think we'll have a shot to grab at least one more goal this season - hopefully in Gabon. It'll rely on a few good sprints and luck being on our side, but success there will surely make a difference for our team's hopes.
Top 10 isn't looking quite likely for us anymore, but Herald Sun, Uppsala, and La Tropicale Amissa Bongo all have opportunities for us to hit 100points in the right scenario. Let's hope for some miracles!
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| kandesbunzler26 |
Posted on 15-02-2025 20:35
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Keep the flat TT/TTT stage races going alright, I've bet my pre-season prediction of your team on it 
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 27-02-2025 09:15
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A bit of a challenging season so far, but it's great to have got those two goals already!
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