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Chrono d'Arenberg - Discussion
Ulrich Ulriksen
Chrono d'Arenberg

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Welcome to the 3rd edition of the PTHC Chrono d’Arenberg where the top cobblers meet the top timetrialists across 2 legs on 47 km of hard roads in Northern France. The first edition was won by Kasperkiewicz, a cobbler, who time trials a little, while last year it was Dillier, who is more the reverse. Dillier is back to try and defend his title for Team UBS, this time from the PT division. He wouldn’t have been able to defend that title but the race has also moved up from C1 to PTHC. In addition, for the first time, the race will be contested over 2 legs which will make it harder for riders to pull off a surprise result.

The course includes 11 sectors of cobbles covering 17.3 km - so the riders will spend 35% of their time on cobbled roads.

A full field of 24 teams will contest the race today. Looking first at the time trial focused riders the list includes:

RiderTeamDivTTCORS
Mads WĂĽrtzGrieg-MaerskPT826278
Silvan DillierTeam UBSPT806877
Steven LammertinkeBuddyPT806576
Kiril YatsevichTeam Tinkoff - La DatchaPT806481
Lucas SchädlichKraftwerk Man MachinePCT806271
Jesse SergentGCN RacingPCT805374
Alexandor CatafordPodium AmbitionPCT796775
Michael HepburnMoser - SygicPT796077
Phan Age HaugardVolvo acc. by SpotifyPT795677
Ho-Ting KwokAir France - KLMPT795373
Tom WirtgenEA VesuvioPT786574
Reinhardt Janse van RensburgMinionsPCT786371
Victor CampenaertsVolvo acc. by SpotifyPT786273
Oleksandr GolovashTeam Popo4Ever p/b NemiroffPCT785569
Rasmus SteroboCampari Asahi ProcyclingPCT785269
Harry TanfieldVolvo acc. by SpotifyPT776473
Szymon RekitaMinionsPCT776271
Mark ChristianCampari Asahi ProcyclingPCT775971
Klemen StimulakFablok - Chocolate JacquesPCT775772
Krzysztof MarchewkaAdastra N Hell Energy CyclingPCT775075


pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/grm.png WĂĽrtz is clearly the best of the pure TT guys but his cobbles are weak. Defending champion pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ubs.png Dillier stands out as one of the 5, 80 TT riders but also as one of the only riders on the list with a respectable cobbles ability. He also has strong resistance. The only other TT rider who is OK on the cobbles is pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/t3a.png Cataford

So that brings us to the cobbles focused riders. Other than pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ubs.png Dillier most of the top finishers last year were cobblers more than TT riders. And at the lower level the quality of cobbler riders wasn’t close to what we see this year.

RiderTeamDivTTCORS
Lukasz WisniowskiGrieg-MaerskPT748376
Sam BewleyMoser - SygicPT708275
Florian SenechalTeam Tinkoff - La DatchaPT658274
Arman KamyshevTeam Tinkoff - La DatchaPT658275
Marcos AlturPodium AmbitionPCT638270
Ruben ZepuntkeMinionsPCT658172
Floris GertseBuddyPT678080
Amadou BakariTeam Popo4Ever p/b NemiroffPCT528053
David PerIsostar - SpecializedPT727975
Jan PolancIsostar - SpecializedPT707873
Vegard BreenBakkafrostPCT687872
Salvatore PuccioAir France - KLMPT617871
Guillaume Van KeirsbulckNordstrom - CA TechnologiesPCT517873
Tom BohliTeam UBSPT707775
Tim DeclerqTeam Puma - SAPPT687771
Saya KuroedaRakuten Pro CyclingPT677773
Michael BorosMoser - SygicPT627769


Road Race World Champion pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/grm.png Wisniowski won’t get to wear his jersey but he will be one of the favorites for this race. He is not only the best cobbler on the start list but also the best time trial rider among the cobblers. Man game superstar pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/mos.png Bewley and Isostar’s duo of pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/iso.png Per and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/iso.png Polanc stand out as other riders with decent TT capabilities.

While the ghost of Cancellara doesn’t seem to haunt the man game peloton there are a handful of riders who are neither a top TT or top cobble riders but do both pretty well. They include:

RiderTeamDivTTCORS
Remi CavagnaTeam Puma - SAPPT767374
Andrei NechitaFablok - Chocolate JacquesPCT767171
Hampus AnderbergAker - MOTPT747675
Philipp WalslebenAker - MOTPT747473
Martin SchäppiTeam UBSPT737471


None of them look strong enough to challenge for the top step but they could all be a threat for the top 10 on a good day.

Full Start List

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Marchewka, KrzysztofAdastra N Hell Energy Cycling
Navardauskas, RamunasAdastra N Hell Energy Cycling
Stoenchev, ValentinAdastra N Hell Energy Cycling
Kwok, Ho-TingAir France - KLM
Puccio, SalvatoreAir France - KLM
van Zyl, JohannAir France - KLM
Anderberg, HampusAker - MOT
Videika, AiridasAker - MOT
Walsleben, PhilippAker - MOT
Akhmaevi, SulkhanBakkafrost
Breen, VegardBakkafrost
Van der Haar, LarsBakkafrost
Christian, MarkCampari Asahi Procycling
Sterobo, RasmusCampari Asahi Procycling
Yamamoto, MasakiCampari Asahi Procycling
Jallays, WelleDK - SVA Zalgiris
Nepomnyachsniy, AlexandrDK - SVA Zalgiris
Ovsyannikov, AlexandrDK - SVA Zalgiris
Centrone, IvanEA Vesuvio
Kanter, MaxEA Vesuvio
Wirtgen, TomEA Vesuvio
Gerts, FloriseBuddy
Kaczmarek, JakubeBuddy
Lammertink, SteveneBuddy
Nechita, AndreiFablok - Chocolate Jacques
Plucinski, LeszekFablok - Chocolate Jacques
Stimulak, KlemenFablok - Chocolate Jacques
Archibald, JohnGCN Racing
Burke, StevenGCN Racing
Sergent, JesseGCN Racing
Cosnefroy, BenoitGrieg-Maersk
Wisniowski, LukaszGrieg-Maersk
WĂĽrtz, MadsGrieg-Maersk
Arissol, AhmadISA - Hexacta
Feng, Chun KaiISA - Hexacta
Harrison, SamISA - Hexacta
Gradek, KamilIsostar - Specialized
Per, DavidIsostar - Specialized
Polanc, JanIsostar - Specialized
Gonzalez Cortes, JosueKraftwerk Man Machine
Schädlich, LucasKraftwerk Man Machine
Vermeersch, GianniKraftwerk Man Machine
Janse van Rensburg, ReinhardtMinions
Rekita, SzymonMinions
Zepuntke, RubenMinions
Bewley, SamMoser - Sygic
Boros, MichaelMoser - Sygic
Hepburn, MichaelMoser - Sygic
Medvedev, SergeyNordstrom - CA Technologies
Okamoto, HayatoNordstrom - CA Technologies
Van Keirsbulck, GuillaumeNordstrom - CA Technologies
Altur, MarcosPodium Ambition
Cataford, AlexandorPodium Ambition
Matthews, DarrenPodium Ambition
Kuroeda, SayaRakuten Pro Cycling
Rajapakshage, TushanthaRakuten Pro Cycling
Reus, KaiRakuten Pro Cycling
Bakari, AmadouTeam Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff
De Bondt, DriesTeam Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff
Golovash, OleksandrTeam Popo4Ever p/b Nemiroff
Cavagna, RemiTeam Puma - SAP
Declerq, TimTeam Puma - SAP
Ganna, FilippoTeam Puma - SAP
Kamyshev, ArmanTeam Tinkoff - La Datcha
Senechal, FlorianTeam Tinkoff - La Datcha
Yatsevich, KirilTeam Tinkoff - La Datcha
Bohli, TomTeam UBS
Dillier, SilvanTeam UBS
Schäppi, MartinTeam UBS
Campenaerts, VictorVolvo acc. by Spotify
Haugard, Phan AgeVolvo acc. by Spotify
Tanfield, HarryVolvo acc. by Spotify

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Croatia14
I think we have a good team here, but I'm not too sure. Maybe I should've brought Phinney though, let's see how the race goes...
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We'll see what happens. Got two horses to bet on which are both terrible in the opposite category.
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TheManxMissile
Based on AC's season so far, he'll finish outside the Top20 despite his skills. Altur i don't know, he's got previous in cobbled prologues, but this is a lot longer so i have no hopes there. Matthews is my wildcard choice who i wish was 5 years younger so i could train him into a real fun option.
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DaveTwoBob
Based on last years results where the TT guys did well and because its pan flat I sent Schädlich and burdened him with a top 5 goal! The champagne will flow if he manages to achieve that goal Grin

Thanks for the preview Ulrich
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We have the best TTer and the best cobbler (and a good hybrid in Cosnefroy) here, so I have to say that anything else than a victory will be disappointing. But then again, if it's most suited to a guy like Dillier, it might be tough after all. A win would be good for the confidence for Wisniowski, even though he's not in the rainbow jersey this time around. Looking forward to the race!
 
whitejersey
0 clue what to expect here, just praying for it isn't a 0 pointer.
 
valverde321
Based on last years results still favouring TT riders slightly, with 5* cobbles, Im thinking it might be even more for TT riders this year, since they aren't all 5* sectors this year. I've brought Kuroeda just in case, although he's really not that good at TTing, but Reus and Raja probably wont do that great either, but its basically the best I could do.
 
Bushwackers
Always an exciting and unpredictable race. Hoping Dillier shows up again like he did last year.
 
cio93
Certainly one of the minor races I'm most excited for this season, with Cavagna having been trained Fabian style for exactly this kind of race, besides ToNE.
No idea how this will play out on the day though.

He's already proven his maxed out worth in his glorious performances in E3 Prijs as 12th and in Strada Appia as 16th from the break, so this race that was supposed to be his best shot at a good result this season can already only be the icing on the cake.

There's a plethora of much better specialists on each end of the spectrum, but Cavagna and Anderberg lead the hybrids which can hopefully stage an upset.
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
If you haven't read the race report go read that first.

Really enjoyed reporting on the Chrono d'Arenberg. I am was skeptical going in because historically I don't think PCM handled cobbled TTs well and I am in the camp of people who don't like extreme courses like last year's WC.

But the race was a pleasant surprise. The combination of different skills and segments made for an interesting and dynamic race. Although it did make reporting hard because there was a lot of movement, hopefully the report wasn't too confusing. It also favored a group of riders that don't fit one fit the man games standard templates which is nice to see.

I plotted the time trial and cobble skills and color coded the finish ranges in the graph below. I think it really shows how you need a balance of skills.

I also calculated the blend of CO and TT that best correlated to the results and it is pretty close to the split of flat and cobles in the race.

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cio93
Well, I have no idea what just unfolded (not your fault Ulrich), but I guess I'll have to be content with 7th and 11th from our youngsters.

Though obviously I can't actually be happy if positions 3 to 5 went to clearly weaker hybrid riders than Cavagna, when that appears to have been a successful formula.
If Cosnefroy can finish third, so can Cavagna with a straight up +4cob and at most some RES working against him, and from that point of view, we yet again underperformed.

But, as I said, it was an experiment with riders that will only get better with time, and Ganna as the more exciting prospect of these two did punch above his weight already.


Congrats TMM, for whatever reason, but that's a winning team I can get behind! Smile
 
ivaneurope
A really meh race for the team TBH.

Congrats to TMM for the win - Cataford has finally won something this season. Also, very interesting report from Ulrich Ulriksen
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Grieg must be the big favourite here, having WĂĽrtz and Wisniowski.

Though, I'm quite optimistic regarding Anderberg's chances. Just like cio, I hope for a decent result and an upset here, but it's difficult to name what an upset would look like. A top 15 will be great Smile
 
redordead
Cobbled TTs are TMM's speciality now Pfft

Looked like a fun race indeed Ulrich Smile



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ember
Oh, for some reason I didn't see the report was posted a couple of hours ago!

Very, very good race for us, going for the balanced rider types. Not that we had any choice, as Anderberg and Walsleben also are our best cobblers Pfft Thought Anderberg was our guy to challenge for a top 10, which was very nice to see him do, but Walsleben really put down the hammer and delivered a sensational performance. Having two riders in the top 10 is great, and some very welcome points Smile

Very nice report, I followed that TT with a lot of interest, as the tension was high from early on. Especially as the "big guns" seemed to not be up for it, both the top cobblers and top time trialists.

Congratulations on the win, TMM!
 
DubbelDekker
Congrats TMM! Cool to see the hybrids beat the extremists.
And nice report and plot, Ulrich
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Croatia14
DubbelDekker wrote:
Congrats TMM! Cool to see the hybrids beat the extremists.
And nice report and plot, Ulrich


Polanc disagrees Sad

Not the race we wanted tbh, pretty disappointing.
 
roturn
A pity 78TT 74COB prime Boom never was able to race this here. From the graphic, he might have been superior to even the podium riders, who were weaker cobblers while still decent.
 
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