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| Fabianski |
Posted on 21-01-2021 19:14
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After the first two weeks, let's take a look at who did well - and who rather didn't - so far. Let's start with the teams:
| Team | Stage wins | 2nd places | 3rd places | Total |  Isostar - Specialized | 2 | 2 | 1 | 5 |  ISA - Hexacta | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 |  Aegon - Peroni | 2 | 0 | 1 | 3 |  Gazelle | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 |  Team Puma - SAP | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 |  Polar | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 |  King Power | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |  Volvo acc. by Spotify | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |  eBuddy | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |  Rakuten Pro Cycling | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |  cycleYorkshire | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |  Evonik - ELKO | 0 | 2 | 1 | 3 |  Moser - Sygic | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 |  Air France - KLM | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |  Aker - MOT | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |  Team Tinkoff - La Datcha | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |  Generali | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |  Bennelong - Mitchelton | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 |  Indosat Ooredoo | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
So far, 11 teams have been able to get at least one stage win - with only three of them winning twice, and no team having more than two wins. In terms of podiums, Isostar - Specialized have been most successful so far, ahead of Gazelle and Team Puma - SAP. But while the latter rely on just one single rider so far (we'll see that later), Isostar - Specialized had four different riders on the podium so far, while two riders share Gazelle's podium spots.
We also see that the teams of the big GC favorites - Aker - MOT, Generali and Team Tinkoff - La Datcha, have not a single win so far - will they be able to turn things around in the final week?
The teams of the second-tier GC riders have done slightly better so far, with both King Power and Rakuten Pro Cycling having a win so far - and if you consider that Carapaz initially was in this category, too, let's add Volvo acc. by Spotify to that list.
So can we expect the teams of the big climbers to climb up in these rankings - or at least join this list at all? Because when looking to the bottom, we can see five teams without any stage podium so far:
| Team | Stage wins | 2nd places | 3rd places | Total |  EA Vesuvio | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |  Festina - OAKA | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |  Grieg-Maersk | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |  Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |  Team UBS | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
While this surely hurts the respective managers, it doesn't come completely by surprise. Team UBS will hope for the mountains to finally get a Top 3 on a stage, and that should be true as well for EA Vesuvio. Both teams have one of the Top 10 climbers in their lineup, while the other teams will mainly have to hope to finally get a slice of the breakaway cake. With how the racing unfolded so far, this doesn't seem to be too improbable. So, will we finally have at least a "1" alongside every team? Or which one(s) would you expect to end up without the least stage podium?
Let's then take a look at the most successful riders so far - with the list being reduced to stage winners and multi-podium riders:
| Rider | Stage wins | 2nd places | 3rd places | Total | | van der Poel | 2 | 0 | 1 | 3 | | Demare | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 | | Malecki | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | | Appollonio | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Gabburo | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Conti | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Nych | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Bugge | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Costagli | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Vakoc | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Contreras | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Coppel | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Eislers | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | | Bizkarra | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | | Kruijswijk | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | | Kennaugh | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | | Taaramäe | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
Surprisingly, the only rider having won two stages so far is youngster van der Poel - who furthermore adds a 3rd place to his great Giro record!
But the rider with the most stage podiums so far - and hence likely the one scoring most stage points until now (I haven't done the calculations), is one who - according to the comments in this thread - must be the most disappointing rider so far: Demare. He's been on the podium in three out of four sprint stages - which probably is not much to complain about - but only once in a hilly stage. However, as there's just one other puncheur on this list at all, this puts things into perspective.
So many different riders winning a stage - and being on the podium in general - shows how much success there has been for breakaways so far. Now the question is, will we still have a lot of different winners in week 3? Or will there be more than just one rider with multiple wins? We'll find out soon!
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| SotD |
Posted on 21-01-2021 19:29
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| ryant |
Posted on 21-01-2021 19:48
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Coppel!!! We brought a squad here to stage hunt so I'm glad we managed it with Coppel in the TT, even though Taaramae had us worried there a little. Kennaugh is still well placed but I hope he can get a stage result as well by being in a break or two in the final week. He's not likely to gain places in the GC by strength so we're not expecting much more from him.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 21-01-2021 20:53
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Super Combatif award please!
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 21-01-2021 21:09
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I can respect that performance by Spilak. TIme to turn around this miserable GT now.
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| knockout |
Posted on 21-01-2021 21:09
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Alright: Congrats Malecki!
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 22-01-2021 06:47
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Will be hard to win the Giro now, Taaramäe looks really strong!
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| Bikex |
Posted on 22-01-2021 13:45
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Seems like the pure time trialists profited from the slow race so far. 2 top 10s is more than I expected in the tt. Teklehaimanot also with a strong tt, time for him to wake up. Reis unfortunately not great but looking at the gaps hasn’t lost too much. Now the mountains really start, I don’t expect Malecki to hold on to the maglia rosa for two more days. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 22-01-2021 17:12
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We tried well, but it backfired pretty harshly. Good job to hang on until now, Alex!
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| matt17br |
Posted on 22-01-2021 17:17
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This is a very good result for us actually cause this means that Spilak will free up a LOT of wage cap that will go towards financing the signing of local riders Fausto Masnada and Gianni Moscon 
I will buy Centovalli irl
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| knockout |
Posted on 22-01-2021 17:24
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ISA with the second amazing result after a great performance in Liechtenstein. Congrats Scorchio, seems like your plan from the PCT season can be continued in PT too 
Nice to see Taaramae starting the race for the favourites. The hard pace on the secon climb set by his team mates surely helped to make those gaps grow quickly on the final kilometers and he looks set for the race victory - particularly as he once again gained time on Spilak who lost further time on some of the other podium contenders.
Chiarello had a pretty great day too. Hardly anyone beatable gained time on him while a couple of rivals lost chunks. He is now up to 8th in GC which would be outstanding if he could defend that postion. Spilak is a sure bet to overtake him but Malecki could drop lower. Everyone else might depend on daily form on the deciding days and is quite close rn but so far Chiarello didnt look like he had a weak day and mostly suffers from having a TTT early on. Without that stage, he'd look even better than he does now!
The rest of the team did fairly okay. Vosekalns once again performed below expectations but I'm fine with that as long as he uses tomorrow to join the break. Hopefully with further assistance. Curious to see how that will impact the team classification as well.
When you split the post in half and still overstep the max character limit, you know your reports are crazy detailed. Thanks for that!
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| matt17br |
Posted on 22-01-2021 17:27
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knockout wrote:
Chiarello had a pretty great day too. Hardly anyone beatable gained time on him while a couple of rivals lost chunks. He is now up to 8th in GC which would be outstanding if he could defend that postion. Spilak is a sure bet to overtake him but Malecki could drop lower.
I will hold you to that, everything is possible for almighty Spilak
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 22-01-2021 17:28
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Not too bad from Shikai. Hopefully he can hold on to 5th in the remaining days. Bad luck for Reis.
Amazing report as always.
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 22-01-2021 17:35
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knockout wrote:
When you split the post in half and still overstep the max character limit, you know your reports are crazy detailed. Thanks for that!
Thanks for noticing! Actually, the report alone (e.g. without the results) would have almost fit into one post, so I just slightly moved the split now.
And yeah, really bad luck for Reis, sorry Bikex! Guess he actually punctured. And unlike on stage 4 with Spilak, the whole team got involved trying to bring him back, so either the Generali guys are all egoists, or they really considered their situation to be good enough with Talansky ahead.
And what should I do then?
You might be able to get my "Fiat" part of the squad, if you give me your "Centovalli" part  (still unlikely, but who knows ^^)
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 22-01-2021 17:45
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Good to see one of our proper climbers going into the breakaway. Hopefully Aru's time will come soon as well as he clearly isn't going to do very well in the GC anyway.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 22-01-2021 18:17
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I can't be happy with Arndt not joining a winning break when he's in the ideal GC position to do so.
At least he rode a good race from the peloton and finished strongly, but he'll never get up to a good GC position in the remaining stages to score many points with this strategy, so he absolutely should risk it all for those 70 points on offer.
Also, KoM points.
Mager was impressive there though. But again, nothing gained from just hanging on as long as possible. Breaks, breaks, breaks.
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| SotD |
Posted on 22-01-2021 18:28
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The letdowns just won’t end in this race. Bongiorno FFS!
Just attack you lame ass when you are so crap.
Atleast most of my riders are in top 100 so we might end up scoring ~100 points from the race in total.
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 22-01-2021 19:10
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Congrats to Scorchio and also to ember and Oleg, because after this stage I'm quite sure the winner of this Giro will be either Taaramäe or Kritskiy. The big guns have awoken, like I expected.
Malecki did give us another amazing performance though. Again he managed to hang on longer than we could expect from him and he never fully cracked. I think the top climbers will pass him in GC for sure, but if he continues like this he might be able to fight off the sub-top. It was cool to see almost a complete Gazelle squad surround Malecki for most of the crucial climbs to cheer him on and help in case of gaps. Heartwarming team spirit.
Karnulin had his first off-day; hope he recovers. Usually him having a bad day would hurt our Team Classification. But today Kruijswijk, Sosnitskiy and Vervaeke stepped up to limit our losses there. It's almost like three riders got a team order to rush ahead for the TC, while the rest stayed with Malecki.
This report was another masterpiece btw
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 22-01-2021 20:43
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Not sure if Haig will manage do go past Malecki. Which would be a bummer, given that he's doing fine enough to actually fighting for a possible GT podium if it wasn't for this huge gap. Anyway. He did well in this stage, imo. Barguil looked good though, which may be concerning. But Haig rode it smart, I guess. As things stand now. A Top-5 should be doable, so I will hope for him to continue like this: avoid spending energy following the biggest gun and just keep on securing this GC spot. Maybe Malecki will crack one day.
Still hoping for more breakaway presence though.
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| ryant |
Posted on 23-01-2021 00:27
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Kennaugh doing exactly what I asked which is great, shame he wasn't the strongest rider from the break but he gained some valuable time on some other strong riders around him. Have to say that 13th would be some result for us but its going to be tough. We'll need another break success to achieve it I think.
I still think Malecki will fall away and so should Krujswijk so we may not lose places in the end!
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