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Sykkel_Freak
Thankfully Guarnieri delivers on the last stage and we get a second place in the GC despite the enormous inconsistency in stage performances. Nice to see the lead-out working smoothly this time!

Congrats to Atlantius! Manninen has had a great couple of races now Smile And thanks for the superb reports SN!
 
cunego59
Great reports SN, had me at the edge of my seat for those last KoM sprints Smile Munyaneza with some big points here, with the classification win, holding the jersey for 5 days, 20th overall and 2nd in the youth classification. More than makes up for the lack of sprint action for Selig, which was at least somewhat expected anyways.
 
Marcovdw
Hey, Vesely didn't finish fifth, what happened? I'm still taking seventh in the GC though, not every race can be Barbados and if he continues to score top tens in flat races I'm a happy man. And Hodeg winning white is a pleasant surprise! Thanks for the sprinting bonanzas SN and congrats Atlantius!
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TheManxMissile
Relegating because this game (PCM18, not the MG) is actually just broken. Making me question whether i want to continue in the MG at all.
And even though Altoro is also underperforming at least i feel better having trained him an not Ewan. My word, if i'd actually worked to train Ewan to 84 this year i would have already quit.

Can't wait to see how we work on the sprinters wages and rd for next year, because f*ck knows how we can balance this level of lottery.

At least our jerseys look good so we can easily see our failure!
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cio93
Ollfardh wrote:
Not to hijack the thread, but I think the changes to the profiles only made things worse. Without the turns in the end a front group will just get away and everyone left behind is screwed over. I think it was less the case before, where the corners in the end forced everything back together. It feels to me that sprints this year are worse than ever, to a point where you could call it gamebreaking.

I'm not sure that's it, but we do need to figure out if there's something we can do about this, particularly if the issue persists.


TheManxMissile wrote:
Can't wait to see how we work on the sprinters wages and rd for next year, because f*ck knows how we can balance this level of lottery.

The most straightforward idea would be to heavily tie sprinters' wage demands to their points score, and basically act like we don't know their actual stats.

That might overcompensate for the current struggles the season after if the luck turns around entirely and you suddenly have a PPRD monster, but if things get as extreme as relegation because of this, that should still be worth considering.
 
baseballlover312
Ollfardh wrote:
Not to hijack the thread, but I think the changes to the profiles only made things worse. Without the turns in the end a front group will just get away and everyone left behind is screwed over. I think it was less the case before, where the corners in the end forced everything back together. It feels to me that sprints this year are worse than ever, to a point where you could call it gamebreaking.


This has been my view as well. We thought these changes would allow the game to work properly without interruption, but I think it might have just exposed how fundamentally broken it is. You just can't count on AI riders to perform basic effort in their own interest like you could in most PCM iterations before. The turns might have actually forced sprinters together as you say and at least made the crapshoot start with people in one group. I'd say we could have found this in testing, but we didn't necessarily have the resources to test it enough, and the tests we did run did not necessarily show this so blatantly. I personally didn't help with those tests, so I can't complain.

cio93 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Can't wait to see how we work on the sprinters wages and rd for next year, because f*ck knows how we can balance this level of lottery.

The most straightforward idea would be to heavily tie sprinters' wage demands to their points score, and basically act like we don't know their actual stats.

That might overcompensate for the current struggles the season after if the luck turns around entirely and you suddenly have a PPRD monster, but if things get as extreme as relegation because of this, that should still be worth considering.


The difficulty is that the same rider might do amazing in one season and terrible the next purely based on playing the lottery of the sprints. It's not necessarily the same riders being randomly favored from race to race and season to season (except for cases like Holloway - although he doesn't even have the same stats as last year).

TheManxMissile wrote:
Relegating because this game (PCM18, not the MG) is actually just broken. Making me question whether i want to continue in the MG at all.
And even though Altoro is also underperforming at least i feel better having trained him an not Ewan. My word, if i'd actually worked to train Ewan to 84 this year i would have already quit.


I totally understand this perspective as I felt similar things last year when we had that week of intense arguments about the AI. Personally I think your gripes are much more justified than mine were. All I can say is I hope we can address this and you will stay in the game.
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TheManxMissile
I'm not going to quit :lol: i'm not that pissed off.
Mostly because A) we might survive, B) i'd love to somehow get Ewan into the CT, C) even if B is not possible i already have two new team plans in mind to continue f*cking with things and being not-serious Pfft


I think having this race so close in time to Barbados has really showcased this problem in a more intense way, and actually that it isn't hugely worse than last year but we just didn't see it in this clear and close way.
Oh and i still strongly stand by my pre-season stance that the primary problem here is caused by insane inflation and that we are way past the point of gradual action and need to do something drastic.

And i do have to say that SN has done a top job reporting this unhelpful AI!
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cio93
TheManxMissile wrote:
C) even if B is not possible i already have two new team plans in mind to continue f*cking with things and being not-serious Pfft

Let me guess, one of those plans is to flood the game with undercover female riders in the off-season and get an all-female team going? Pfft
 
Ollfardh
I said before the season the wages were too stat based, so I'm glad other now share my concerns. Especially with the sprinters, some are very much overpayed for what they deliver. Not blaming people for this, but it needs to be adressed.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
ivaneurope
To address the issue with the unpredictable sprint results which saw the first four stage winners to drop behind in the following stage (most prominent with Guardini, Kristoff and Ewan), there may be a solution - why not extend the points scale for a single stage only for sprint-specific stage races?
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the_hoyle
Ah man! I was really positive after reading the Stage 1 report! 2nd place is a great stage but inconsistent again for the GCN lads. Strange to see no train for Itami but I suppose other teams had stronger sprinters.

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