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Tour de France 2017 | Stage 4 | Mondorf - Le -Bains - Vittel
ivaneurope
Paul23 wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
How is 30 sec penalty punishing for Sagan in any way, shape or form. Especially with tomorrows stage. HAHAHA ASO please


He lost all his points from this stage


That's nothing...they should've taken him off the race for that. Greipel was furious in an interview.


Greipel is a douchebag in his own right IMO - he also did some unfair antics.
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df_Trek
Keeperodd wrote:
Robbie McEwen saying Sagan should have been DQ aswell.


Petacchi said opposite...
 
dominox
Apparently they have taken 80 points from Sagan in PC.
 
roturn
dominox wrote:
Apparently they have taken 80 points from Sagan in PC.

Which is ridicoulous though.

Either DSQ completely or just from this stage.
Taking other stuff is stupid and makes it look like: "Hey Demare has a real chance, let`s improve that".
 
Choklets
I wish no1 harm but doesn't Cavendish going down in a sprint seem like karmic payback?
 
ivaneurope
roturn wrote:
dominox wrote:
Apparently they have taken 80 points from Sagan in PC.

Which is ridicoulous though.

Either DSQ completely or just from this stage.
Taking other stuff is stupid and makes it look like: "Hey Demare has a real chance, let`s improve that".


The chances Arnaud Démare to wear Maillot Vert in Paris are slim to none
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cio93


My two cents (all angles in the rider direction, not the camera direction):

Cav sees a gap to get to Demare.

Sagan does the same and closes it on him, causing body contact in the back and waist area of Sagan.

This causes his bike and body balance to deviate to the left, you can see the front part of his bike wobbling.

Sagan instinctively reacts with his only body part that allows him to rebalance, his elbow (knee would work but is obviously busy).

The first little flick is as a reaction to the body contact, the second larger flick is as a reaction to the imbalance.

Cav already goes down from the initial contact and the first slight elbow twitch, the big one doesn't even hit him or at least has nothing to do with the crash.

And maybe it is only me, but it nearly seems to me like Cav is swerving a few cm to the left into Sagan before any contact, being scared of the barriers.


The only punishable offense would be closing the gap on Cav imo, and it is far from certain that was intentional or even with malice. The elbow thing is completely irrelevant.
I do not mind a points and time fine, I would mind a DQ.
Edited by cio93 on 04-07-2017 17:19
 
Nin1388
Penalty for Sagan mean Green jersey hopes are over.
 
roturn
ivaneurope wrote:
roturn wrote:
dominox wrote:
Apparently they have taken 80 points from Sagan in PC.

Which is ridicoulous though.

Either DSQ completely or just from this stage.
Taking other stuff is stupid and makes it look like: "Hey Demare has a real chance, let`s improve that".


The chances Arnaud Démare to wear Maillot Vert in Paris are slim to none

He is in top form. Wouldn`t be too sure about it. He got some nice points yesterday on a difficult stage and also has the speed to win on pan flat stages this year.

Wouldn`t call it slim to none.
 
ivaneurope
Nin1388 wrote:
Penalty for Sagan mean Green jersey hopes are over.


You sure about that? The intermediate sprints on every stage regardless of type give 20 points for crossing them first. All he needs to do is to get in breakaways in the mountain and hilly stages and win the sprints.
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Nin1388
Looks like 6th green jersey is very difficult now. Good work by ASO to give Frenchmen nudge ahead in that competition. At-least he they had guts should have DSQ him completely.
But no his popularity means they want him in race too.
Double standard of ASO. They want have cake and eat it too.
 
df_Trek
-80 points
 
alexkr00
80 points? 80 fucking points?
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Dusen
What a joke. 80 points. Fuck this.
If i was Sagan i would have pulled out of the Tour.
 
Ollfardh
80 points is harsh, but let's say it's karma for what he did to Vantomme.

EDIT: I hear only 50 from another source though.
Edited by Ollfardh on 04-07-2017 17:33
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Paul23
df_Trek wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
btw Sagan will pay for a Cav error...


It was 100% Sagans fault.


Impossible give 0/100 fault to one or another...maybe Sagan could do something better, but Cav starts overtaking his rear wheel when ther's less than 80 cm between sagan and wall


Did you even watch it?
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wouty006
Well pretty much all the intermediate sprints in the mountain stages are before the mountains, so I'd say there is no chance for Sagan to get the green jersey this year
 
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dominox
Ollfardh wrote:
80 points is harsh, but let's say it's karma for what he did to Vantomme.

EDIT: I hear only 50 from another source though.


It is 50 points penalty. They have taken 30 points because he was 2nd today Grin.
 
df_Trek
Paul23 wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
btw Sagan will pay for a Cav error...


It was 100% Sagans fault.


Impossible give 0/100 fault to one or another...maybe Sagan could do something better, but Cav starts overtaking his rear wheel when ther's less than 80 cm between sagan and wall


Did you even watch it?


no way to go through there sprinting
 
Holdy
Following PCS he is down to 15 Points, which means he lost his points from today and another 35 points penalty (he had 50 after yesterday). Pretty interesting decision. I bet they wanted to make the fight for green more interesting. Last year he won with 250 points in front of the 2nd ranked Grin
 
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